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====== Kiss of the Succubus - Daeva ====== | ====== Kiss of the Succubus - Daeva ====== | ||
- | <div warning> | + | **Kiss of the Succubus – Daeva** is a splatbook for [[lb: |
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+ | This whole article is effectively | ||
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+ | ===== Notes ===== | ||
+ | ==== Focus ==== | ||
+ | The review is mostly focused around the lore (which I have read) and leaving the mechanics out of the way. The book is overwhemingly fluff over crunch, so I don't see a particular issue with taking the same approach here. | ||
+ | ==== Structure ==== | ||
+ | Since the entire article is a review, I guess I should kinda explain the structure. | ||
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+ | The first main section is pretty self-explanatory: | ||
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+ | The second main section goes by the parts of the book ‘chapter’ by ‘chapter’. I summarize what happens in each one, while injecting my thoughts and any issues I find. | ||
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+ | The third main section is the conclusion, where I guess I'll re-iterate what I stated in the summary? | ||
===== Summary ===== | ===== Summary ===== | ||
- | So I've been reading this and, so far, I haven' | + | When I first started to properly read it, I had assumed it would be good. The main reason I thought |
- | This critique of mine makes no sense if you assume that the tone of [[lb: | + | Plus I had assumed |
- | The book is split into two big parts. The first part is all lore/story and the second part is actual mechanics. The framing device is that the first part is composed of a bunch of papers that were left by a vampire guy – who I call the ‘Collector’ – after he disappeared. So besides the stuff he found/ | + | |
- | It isn't entirely clear //who// is going thru the notes, though there' | + | But...yeah, no. |
- | The way the book is written is a bit disorienting. I thought I was paying a lot of attention, yet I ended up getting confused very fast. | + | |
- | In this book, the Daeva are usually portrayed as ‘punk-ish’ and ‘whore-ish’. That's how I'd summarize | + | Is the book bad? Yeah, kinda. But it' |
- | Now, putting aside my own moral views on this (it's a bit silly to bring in morality for a horror game about monsters), this advice (and the portrayal) don't actually make a lot of sense when you consider the ‘necrology’ of the vampires and how their societies function.\\ | + | |
- | A vampire cannot possibly conclude that the best target | + | |
- | I'd say that what we see in this book is like 50/50 in terms of quality. I haven' | + | I'll get something out of the way first: This critique of mine doesn' |
+ | Because a lot of this comes down to the fact that what White Wolf sees in the Daeva is radically different from what the Daeva are actually like...in the lore that they themselves wrote. | ||
+ | We'll get to //that// in the conclusion. The sum of it is that the Daeva' | ||
+ | All (five of) the vampire clans in Requiem represent a broad archetype and theme of the vampire in fiction. The Daeva are the archetype of the seducer, but their theme is passion.\\ | ||
+ | Passion, however, doesn' | ||
+ | The fact that the book //only seems to focus on the sex// is one of the big issues: it's a huge missed opportunity from the perspective of a Storyteller or player. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Of course, besides that, there are a few other problems: it's pretty (painfully) obvious that the authors were injecting their own sexual fantasies into the story. There' | ||
+ | They also don't know how to write women. Most of the women who talk are lesbians/ | ||
+ | So, basically, this follows the standard depiction of sexy vampires as ‘punk-ish’ and ‘whore-ish’. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Now onto more positive stuff. The fluff part of the book is presented as a series of papers that are collected by an old vampire. I started calling him the ‘Collector’ while I was reading and, as it turns out, that's what the authors call him as well. He had gone missing at some point (not revealed where/why until the end) and it's clear that somebody (or multiple somebodies) are going thru the papers after the fact. I'm guessing there are at least three people. We know this because they add their own notes.\\ | ||
+ | I was gonna level a criticism here related to those notes...but then I realized that it actually //is// possible to figure out who it is. If you don't want it spoiled, I'll have those answers in the footnotes (spoiled). It just required some thinking on my part.\\ | ||
+ | Some of them are more obvious than others.((: | ||
+ | But, basically, it's a series of papers with notes. Not all written by the same in-universe author, but all broadly related to the Daeva: their history, culture, some adventures, etc. | ||
+ | |||
+ | And this is what I like the most about the book, because I really like the idea of collecting information like this into a ‘scrapbook’ and then reading thru it. It's just that all of the individual stories are a bit too disconnected for my liking. As in: a collection of individual bits, rather than a whole being assembled from a series of notes. | ||
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+ | The book is a bit disorienting at first, but you get used to it by the time you reach the end. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Having gotten to the mechanics part of the book (which is hilariously short compared to the rest)...yeah, | ||
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+ | I'd say that the entire book is about 50/50 in quality: there is //a lot// of bad, but the few good and the way it's presented...possibly redeems it? I would prefer that the content of the book be majorly re-written, is how I'd put it. The artwork is high quality too, though I'll admit that I don't like it that much. I like the art of the comic tracts and the cover the most...everything else I don' | ||
+ | The style of writing is also quite pleasant. I'd describe it as utilitarian, | ||
+ | There are pretty serious worldbuilding hiccups and most of the characters are unsympathetic so, from that angle, I'm not super happy.\\ | ||
+ | Also, it made me realize that while I //thought// the Chronicles of Darkness had a more toolbox approach, it wasn't //as much of a toolbox// as I would have hoped. | ||
===== Bit-by-Bit ===== | ===== Bit-by-Bit ===== | ||
+ | Now it's time for the super fun section: here I go thru each story individually, | ||
==== Kevin ==== | ==== Kevin ==== | ||
- | The first major story in the clanbook | + | The first major story in the clanbook |
+ | Kevin...is an //asshole// who cheats on his girlfriend after he claims to have been seduced by a sexy vampire – Madael, Mad. The notes he left behind are those that he wrote for himself to recount events | ||
+ | Why? Y'see, his vampire | ||
+ | |||
+ | The story is most compelling | ||
+ | His various observations are very interesting to read about and I'd consider it one of the major highlights of the book. It's a mix of < | ||
+ | However...then you read the ‘flirting’...and then all the sex stuff...and you get clinical depression. | ||
+ | |||
+ | If you don' | ||
+ | < | ||
+ | When she finally dragged her eyes away from my ass, we started talking, me flirting on reflex, she just playing with her food. | ||
+ | |||
+ | “People often get distracted by my ass, and miss that I have great arms and a manly jaw line too.” | ||
+ | |||
+ | “Plus, your ass is smart enough to get a GED. Your ass should be proud, because now it can go to technical school.” | ||
+ | |||
+ | “My ass looks too good to bother with school. It's going to find a sugar mamma to take care of it.” | ||
- | Then you read the ‘flirting’ and you think about a lot of what this vampire seductress (Madael, Mad) is doing and you get clinical depression. | + | “Well he can keep looking, because this momma is down to her last spoonful.” |
+ | </ | ||
+ | There are thankfully only two other instances of this happening in the book. | ||
- | Anyway, this story also has the (so far) best part of the entire book: the 10 places | + | Let's move on to those observations. One of the best parts of the entire book is Kevin' |
- | Basically, after losing his vampire GF, Kevin starts looking around town to try to find other vampires.\\ | + | It manages |
- | I find this part the most interesting because | + | Anyway, the 10 vampires are: |
- | Anyway, the 10 vampires are: gay bar; gym girl; teen-looking vampire at high school dance; nerd girl in game lounge; a senior center; waitress | + | - Vampire at a gay bar. |
- | Kevin claims that the vampires were using Majesty in most of those situations, but I don't buy it.\\ | + | - Gym girl vampire at a fitness center. |
- | What makes these so interesting is...well, putting aside that there' | + | - A teenage-looking vampire at a high school dance. |
+ | - Nerd girl at a game lounge. | ||
+ | - Old looking vampire at a senior center | ||
+ | - Waitress vampire | ||
+ | - Organizer vampire at NARCANON. | ||
+ | - Art class teacher | ||
+ | - Creepy predator vampire at the home improvement store. | ||
+ | - A new guy at a megachurch. | ||
+ | Some of those are fairly obvious and interpreted 100% thru the sex thing. 1, 2 and 3 are all hanging out in those locations because they wanna have sex. That is Kevin' | ||
The nerd girl in the game lounge has basically positioned herself as the Queen Bee. All the guys in that center look to her as a sort-of goddess. Kevin doesn' | The nerd girl in the game lounge has basically positioned herself as the Queen Bee. All the guys in that center look to her as a sort-of goddess. Kevin doesn' | ||
- | The waitress at the American Diner confused Kevin at first, because she didn't give any customers her number. After hours, he finds out that she's making out with the cook, who looks pale. So a monogamous vampire, basically.\\ | + | The old vampire at the senior center is one of the more uncomfortable ones in how it's described, because Kevin basically goes “old people have sex too” and then speculates about how this old vampire must spend a lot of time just having sex with old ladies. And it's especially uncomfortable because this old vampire is literally just judging spaghetti. No, I'm not joking. He's observing this vampire at a spaghetti-off and going < |
- | NARCANON is the one that is strangest and, when I was first skimming this book, was what made me assume | + | The waitress at the American Diner confused Kevin at first, because she didn't give any customers her number. |
- | The art class teacher is somehow more uncomfortable to read than the senior center because, again, the vampire doesn' | + | NARCANON is the one that is strangest and was what made me assume |
- | The home improvement store is the one where Kevin almost died, so he called the police on the vamp.\\ | + | The art class teacher is somehow more uncomfortable to read than the senior center because, again, the vampire doesn' |
- | The megachurch is the most bizarre of them all, because there' | + | The home improvement store is the one where Kevin almost died, so he called the police on the vamp. Or, rather, Kevin is paranoid and called the police on him because he assumed the vampire would kill him.\\ |
+ | The megachurch is the most bizarre of them all, because there' | ||
- | There' | + | A lot of these also involve Kevin describing |
- | Except that, no, that makes zero sense. Vampires enter an involuntary sleep during the day. So they //do// have a natural pause. Whether they dream or not is kinda irrelevant, because they still drop dead (literally) and wake up in the morning. And based on how the lore is written, the process of waking up is also not entirely trivial, so it //would// be a natural pause in their schedule. | + | |
- | The book is filled with these kinds of weird inconsistencies. You can see what the writers intended | + | After this, Kevin spends some time explaining vampire traits. There are the standard ones like < |
+ | Basically, according to Kevin, vampires enter an unconscious sleep during the day which means they never see the day at all. The lack of a natural ‘pause’ in this time period results in their internal clocks breaking and means that they perceive time differently. Because they never see the day, they experience < | ||
+ | I thought this was really interesting worldbuilding and actually gives us an insight into what it's like to be a vampire.\\ | ||
+ | Except that, no, that makes zero sense.\\ | ||
+ | Vampires enter an involuntary sleep during the day. So they //do// have a natural means of separating events. Just like humans. Now, it could be argued that vampires don't dream which is the main contributing factor. However, whether vampires dream or not is irrelevant. This is because this ‘sleep’ is really them just dropping dead and then waking up in the morning. The process of waking up requires them to literally get their heart beating again. The way the lore is phrased implies that this process isn't super trivial either (downright uncomfortable).\\ | ||
+ | There' | ||
+ | So vampires //do// have a natural pause in their schedule which helps them break up the day. | ||
- | Madael herself is meant to be this super seductress, except that the first time she met Kevin (our guy) she didn' | + | In case you're wondering, the book is filled with these kinds of really |
- | Now, Kevin //claims// she used Majesty and I can tell the writers intended | + | |
- | Mad herself actually tends to act pretty normal all things considered.\\ | + | |
- | If you have trouble believing me, I would recommend you read back thru their initial interaction (and I think it's fine to skip over the ‘flirting’ because that is //pain//) and count every moment where Kevin had the opportunity to back off or not do something stupid. It's notable to me that Kevin decided to lie to his girlfriend and turn off his phone notifications of his own free will. And Mad mentions multiple times that he lied to his girlfriend, which is a very unusual thing to say if you're intending to seduce this man. | + | |
- | There's another thing that I think is notable, though | + | Now I'll move onto that vampire seductress: Madael North (or Mad). I think the writers intended for her to be this kind of super seductress...but I can’t actually be sure. This is because she's one of the weirder characters in the book.\\ |
- | Basically, Mad and Kevin's relationship can be summarized as them engaging in sexual activities several times a week. And that's about all that they do. There are only two-ish moments where Kevin and Mad don' | + | When Kevin and her first meet (and get past that godsawful flirting), she seems to constantly give Kevin an out. If you've read this book and don' |
- | Also, he would have died from blood-loss considering | + | In fact, Kevin does a few stupid things of his own accord: he buys her beer for no reason; he calls his girlfriend and lies about why he can’t get home in time; he turns his phone notifications off.\\ |
+ | Meanwhile, let' | ||
+ | I dunno if I'm just a weird guy, but the signals | ||
+ | In fact, the way it's written suggests that she didn't even intend to seduce | ||
+ | Moving | ||
+ | Basically, this is evident just from how they interact. After they have sex, Mad often just kicks Kevin out. Sometimes with a kiss (I assume), but oftentimes just < | ||
+ | That dance night was also when Kevin actually realized she was a vampire. Until that point he mostly thought she was a bit weird and that it was her kink to drink his blood. I mean, they only murder Mitchell because Kevin thought | ||
+ | Going along with my theory that Mad only likes Kevin because he's a convenient source of blood and she thinks he knew she was a vampire from the start...that night (and consequent 1 month break from the relationship) probably confirmed to her that she misunderstood | ||
+ | So, again, I think it's obvious that Mad likes and cares for Kevin...but she doesn' | ||
- | The other thing that' | + | Now we move on to some //math//. Y'see, I suspect |
- | This is even assumed in the comic tracts (which I love and would have wanted to see more of) which are written by vampires for vampires.\\ | + | According to this [[https:// |
- | Why do Daeva want sex? Why would they ever even bother with the act? It' | + | Kevin claims |
+ | |||
+ | The sex stuff here is also weird (if that wasn't already evident). It' | ||
+ | Why she's even having sex with him is also a bit of a mystery because, to be honest, he'd probably orgasm just from being bit by her (and she doesn' | ||
+ | |||
+ | This is an overall theme with the book: why do the Daeva even care about sex? That question sounds silly until you think about everything surrounding sex and vampires.\\ | ||
+ | Vampires need to spend blood to warm up, which is counter-intuitive if your goal is to //get// blood. You'd have to take more than just a little in that case which is very risky because if you kill someone you lose humanity and gain a lot of unwanted attention. This is the pre-touchstone system, let's not forget.\\ | ||
+ | Doing it just for kicks also doesn' | ||
+ | |||
+ | If creatures are acting irrationally based on available information, | ||
+ | |||
+ | Basically, the book //assumes// that Daeva would //want// sex to the point that they engage in casual | ||
+ | |||
+ | Oh, right, I almost forgot to mention it. Kevin finds a comic tract at a bathroom one night and later buys two more. We, the readers, get to read those comics and, honestly, they are the highlight of the book. I would argue that the book is worth buying for these alone.\\ | ||
+ | They are written by vampires for vampires | ||
+ | Also, there is still a sex assumption inside | ||
+ | |||
+ | I also forgot | ||
==== Mixtape ==== | ==== Mixtape ==== | ||
- | There' | + | The next part is a ‘mixtape’. More accurately, it' |
- | The issue is that, again, there' | + | Most of it is just a lore summary basically: he explains what she needs to know to survive |
+ | I think most of this is fine bar the emphasis on sex (yes, I'm a broken record and we're still at the beginning) and some really bizarre stuff.\\ | ||
+ | One of my personal favorites is that he advises dressing according to the modern trends but to have at least one piece of clothing that confuses people. That is actually | ||
+ | |||
+ | Basically, | ||
+ | The sire explains that this is the best strategy because | ||
+ | |||
+ | Putting aside my own moral views on cheating – it's just a little silly to bring in morals for a horror game about monsters((: | ||
+ | It's presented as an entirely rational strategy, so let's dismantle it rationally. A vampire would never come to this kind of conclusion. Creating an adulterous relationship brings with it many risks that don't apply to regular monogamous ones: that // | ||
+ | On the other hand, you could just seduce some single guy and then suck him off in peace for eternity. There is no interloper present, so it is the most rational choice. See also my [[lb: | ||
==== The Cacophany ==== | ==== The Cacophany ==== | ||
- | Basically | + | The next part introduces the Cacophany. This is a loose organization of vampires who distribute information, |
+ | |||
+ | The story itself is told thru two transcripts. | ||
+ | |||
+ | It starts with a vampire | ||
- | I'm not sure whether White Wolf intended for me to //hate// this vampire, but that' | + | The Collector showcases his empathy – and why he's the best character in the book – by explaining that he feels uncomfortable reading the transcript, because his own daughter is a part of the Cacophany.((: |
- | The Collector shows his empathy yet again by saying he feels bad about reading | + | I don't think this is particularly noteworthy outside |
+ | I don't think the Cacophany as a concept | ||
+ | The other issue is that this chapter reveals there was a sudden boom in the vampire population during the Baby Boom. During which there were a lot of illegal Embraces and thus a lot of vampires who had no idea what they were and what they needed to survive. Thus the Cacophany formed as a tool to help them survive. I don't think such a Vampire Boom would occur due to the above fact that the Masquerade is absolute and enforced absolutely. This isn't the first such sudden population boom in history | ||
==== American Dreamgirl ==== | ==== American Dreamgirl ==== | ||
- | There are other stories and materials interrupting | + | American Dreamgirl is one of the ones I actually like a lot and somewhat unambiguously. It actually excludes implications of sex and focuses purely on a simple concept. I think it's built around one of the Devotions in the book – Picture Perfect. |
- | I'm naming these out-of-order to be clear. | + | |
- | For example, there' | + | The premise |
- | Basically, our vampire narrator/protagonist | + | The protagonist |
+ | After talking to the protagonist, | ||
+ | At that our protagonist runs away (after considering being eaten) and finishes his letter. This was when he realized | ||
+ | However, dumbass that this protagonist | ||
Very nice. | Very nice. | ||
+ | ==== New Orleans ==== | ||
+ | There' | ||
+ | |||
+ | I don't think there' | ||
==== Ayesha ==== | ==== Ayesha ==== | ||
- | Sometimes | + | Next is the next major part of the book: Ayesha' |
- | Ah, I guess it's time to get to Ayesha. | + | Ayesha is a punk journalist and probably one of the bigger asshole characters in the book. I say this unironically after seeing Kevin. And I'm not just saying that because it's strongly implied she's a lesbian. All you really need to know is that she acts as a [[lb: |
- | + | Ayesha is a journalist (the real reason I'm saying she's a bitch) who was tasked by her ‘father’ | |
- | Ayesha is a punk journalist and probably one of the bigger asshole characters in the book. I say this unironically after seeing Kevin. And I'm not just saying that because it's strongly implied she's a lesbian.\\ | + | The details of the job aren't that important, but what is important to note is that she kills a lot of people. We never see her killing directly (she never describes it directly in her diary) but during the course of the story she kills at least three and implies she killed several others in the past. This is her playing with her Humanity, meaning she probably goes into torpor for a while.\\ |
- | Ayesha is a journalist (the real reason I'm saying she's a bitch) who was tasked by her ‘father’ to perform a job. Her ‘father’ is the same one who is collecting all the materials that we're reading from and it's somewhat implied that Ayesha is one of the two or three people going thru them after //he// disappeared somewhere.((: | + | The reasons why she kills someone are pretty benign too. One of them she kills because he calls her a hooker. I guess this could imply her Vice is Wrath?\\ |
- | The details of the job aren't that important, but what is important to note is that she kills a lot of people. We never see her killing directly (we're reading | + | |
- | The reasons why she kills someone are pretty benign too. One of them she kills because he calls her a prostitute. I guess this could imply her Vice is Wrath?\\ | + | |
Now, her killing people isn't much of an issue (putting aside //why// she does it) and the bigger issue is that she seems uninterested in the Masquerade, which raises questions about how she's even still alive. | Now, her killing people isn't much of an issue (putting aside //why// she does it) and the bigger issue is that she seems uninterested in the Masquerade, which raises questions about how she's even still alive. | ||
- | That's the other thing: | + | Ayesha is a member of the Cacophany |
- | They claim that the Baby Boom in the 40s-60s led to an increase in illegal Embraces | + | |
- | Sounds | + | |
- | That is the //other// big problem with White Wolf's writings: you can’t have punk/whore vampires as the significant majority live alongside the Masquerade and societies. Vampires live a long time. Let's use Ayesha as an example.\\ | + | How is she still alive? |
- | She was probably Embraced in the late 60s or early 70s.((: | + | |
- | I'm not saying she'd become a straight conservative good girl, but it' | + | |
- | See my [[lb: | + | That is the //other// big problem with White Wolf's writings: you can’t have punk/whore vampires as the significant majority live alongside the Masquerade and societies.\\ |
+ | This is mainly because vampires live a long time.\\ | ||
+ | Using Ayesha as an example, she was probably Embraced in the late 60s or early 70s. The book's events take place around 2007 or 2008, which means she's been a vampire for approximately 30-40 years. The fact she's in her 20s also suggests she's lived 2x longer as a vampire.\\ | ||
+ | It's unusual that, in all that time, she's apparently still mostly the same. And we know she's been mostly the same because we get an example of one of her articles from the 70s, which is written in essentially the same style as her modern articles (which we //also// see).\\ | ||
+ | She's remained a punk for her entire life. Actually, she probably adopted the punk aesthetic in the 80s.\\ | ||
+ | I'm not saying she'd become a straight conservative good girl in all that time, just that it's incredibly unlikely that she's maintain her < | ||
+ | Even putting aside natural tendencies to mellow out over time, the rest of vampire society would actively suppress her. If you're interested, read my [[lb: | ||
- | Actually, I realized the thing that makes this feel off. She' | + | That's a nice natural pivot over to Colonel Alvarez. Alvarez is presumably a Daeva who is a major force in the Invictus. I say ‘presumably’ because it' |
+ | Ayesha and Alvarez meet because Ayesha wants to interview/ | ||
- | Oh yeah, I suddenly remembered | + | After the club, Ayesha does something |
That is a very creative use of the Blush of Life. It's just a shame that it's hidden in //this// book. | That is a very creative use of the Blush of Life. It's just a shame that it's hidden in //this// book. | ||
+ | |||
+ | After finishing the job, Ayesha just kinda wanders off and we have no clue what happens to her. This is relevant information for later. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I didn't mention it because it's not plot relevant, but there is still sex stuff in here. It starts off with Ayesha thinking that her roommate/ | ||
+ | After that, Ayesha gets annoyed at being called a hooker (if that's the problem, then don't dress or act or fuck like one).\\ | ||
+ | Then Ayesha tries seduction and fails, so she kills a vampire. Then she bribes a ghoul with her own blood.\\ | ||
+ | It's sometime during this that, for some godsforsaken reason, Ayesha writes some of her previous flirt/sex exploits to get stuff she wants. | ||
+ | < | ||
+ | I’m good with people, really I am. Wouldn’t be the first time I’ve flirted my way through a door, either. But eight years back the boys and I packed Vault, and I personally rocked it. Five years before that it was Elektrik. And when I was a very little girl who still happened to breathe, I got somebody’s head between my thighs for the first time ever at The Station. | ||
+ | </ | ||
+ | I might be misinterpreting it, but I feel this is implying she was a teenager when she had someone perform cunnilingus on her.\\ | ||
+ | A hint for future writers: women typically don't write stuff like this into their diaries. Even if they' | ||
+ | |||
+ | The other thing I noticed after re-reading that bit is that...well, | ||
+ | Again, very Brujah, but not very Daeva. And I think this is 100% unintentional on the part of the writers. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Actually, another sudden realization. This might actually undermine my greater point, but I guess I should explain it. Ayesha //could// be a non-sex example of the Daeva theme of ‘passion’ manifesting, | ||
+ | Ayesha is potentially passionate about being rebellious and a punk journalist. That could be the passion that she embodies.\\ | ||
+ | What undermines that is the fact she is still stricken with the weird sex stuff and, again, it's not really focused on that much outside of her Brujah-like personality. | ||
==== Letter ==== | ==== Letter ==== | ||
- | There' | + | There' |
+ | With how passionate it is, it's way more Daeva-like...just that it' | ||
==== Magazine ==== | ==== Magazine ==== | ||
- | Following | + | Following |
- | It' | + | |
- | The more important | + | The article starts with the guy talking about his ‘friend’ |
- | The other vampires thruout | + | |
- | I think this is another | + | I had ‘friend’ in quotations because that' |
+ | I'm about 93% sure that this is the authors projecting, because it's a typical viewpoint | ||
+ | |||
+ | It's most evident here because | ||
+ | She even clarifies for him that whenever she was talking about all those “end of the world” scenarios, she was really warning //him in particular// | ||
+ | |||
+ | This one also thankfully | ||
+ | |||
+ | Most of the vampires disliking each-other doesn' | ||
+ | It's especially odd when the book establishes that Daeva refer to each-other | ||
+ | I'm not arguing | ||
==== Carmilla ==== | ==== Carmilla ==== | ||
- | The next major story/ | + | The next part is related to Carmilla. Yeah, //that// Carmilla of famous vampire literature. |
- | This one is actually a bit more interesting in a meta sense, because it's presented as an essay about Carmilla which is commented on by the Collector (and one other person, though I don't know who((: | + | |
- | I don't really know where to rank this one, because I was mostly rolling my eyes at the HEY, SHE'S A LESBIAN, CARMILLA' | + | This one is interesting |
- | The essay/thing is presented | + | There' |
- | The lore bit that I alluded to is that Carmilla was supposedly partially responsible for trying to revive | + | However, this is also where the weird sex stuff comes back, just not in the form of sex stuff because the essay is...well, it's like < |
- | The author of the essay (and the Collector | + | The essay is an analysis of the historical character thru the literary character and additional evidence found relevant to it. It's also blatantly biased because the vampire lady writing it clearly likes the idea of Carmilla as a lesbian vampire ruler. |
+ | |||
+ | The actual interesting lore is the bombshell that Carmilla was supposedly involved in an effort to revive the Camarilla: the **New Camarilla**. The Collector has never heard of this and is confused. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Both the essayist | ||
==== The World Before Us ==== | ==== The World Before Us ==== | ||
- | The next part of the book, which is written by the Collector | + | The next part was written by the Collector |
- | There' | + | The Collector is called racist by a green sticky note (in a seemingly endearing tone). This is because |
- | The green sticky calls him racist, which is actually understandable. Not a White Wolf moment.((: | + | I initially agreed that this is a clear-cut sign of racism, but I'm not so sure anymore. Mainly because this implies it refers to //Homo Erectus// and not //Homo Sapiens//. The key fact is ‘China’, which is a bit weird to mention in the context |
- | The Collector | + | The Collector |
- | Basically, it starts off with an origin myth. All Daeva supposedly descend from [[lb: | + | The story starts off with an origin myth. All Daeva supposedly descend from [[lb: |
Also, Inanna was God's daughter. And God is named ‘Sin’ by the Collector. Sure, why not. | Also, Inanna was God's daughter. And God is named ‘Sin’ by the Collector. Sure, why not. | ||
+ | |||
+ | I'm leaving out the sex stuff because by now it's routine and mostly ‘meh’. Just keep in mind that me not mentioning it this ‘chapter’ doesn' | ||
==== Emails ==== | ==== Emails ==== | ||
- | The next part involves emails between the Collector and a ‘scholar’ (the guy who calls him ‘Old Bat’((: | + | The next bit involves emails between the Collector and a scholar |
- | Basically, the scholar explains that he's living with three other vampire ladies. Two (Mat/ | + | Most of this is actually fascinating to read, but it starts with the sex thing and, when I first read it, I found it uniquely uncomfortable and weird.\\ |
- | Nic also clarifies that he has sex with Katy. But he makes it clear that that' | + | Basically, the scholar explains that he's living with three other vampire ladies. Two (Mat/ |
+ | Nic also clarifies | ||
- | Seriously guys. Why are the vampires having sex? Nothing beats the Kiss((: | + | Yeah, I think I finally understand how White Wolf failed to go big even after going Chronicles of Darkness. |
- | I suddenly remembered that Ayesha wrote in her diary that she didn't want to warm up for a hug with the Colonel in her segment. That implies that Kindred warm up to hug each-other? While I think that's weird, that' | + | |
- | Anyway, back to reading about awkward sex. If we assume that they aren't fully dead (and can thus sex without warming up) then that would make a //little// more sense, but the problem is that they would still likely feel way more numb. I'm not sure a male vampire can penetrate period, | + | Seriously guys. Why are the vampires having sex? Nothing beats the Kiss((: |
+ | This time I've got a little more to comment on, because it's a male vampire admitting he' | ||
+ | It would probably be much harder | ||
+ | Female vampires engaging in a < | ||
If //you// think this is awkward to read, just remember that // | If //you// think this is awkward to read, just remember that // | ||
- | I think it could be done but, again, they'd feel numb. They' | ||
- | That also indicates to me that it's the author' | + | That also indicates to me that it's the writers’ |
- | After that, Nic goes back to focusing on the history of the Daeva clan and this part is legitimately interesting to read. He's explaining what sources he found, how trustworthy they are, what's in them (vaguely) and some extra details surrounding them. The ones he found were ballads collecting stories written in English and Welsh and he doesn't know who wrote them and who the sources of those ballads are.\\ | + | After that, the focus actually shifts |
- | He concludes that these ‘Blood Ballads’ were an attempted reconstruction of the old myths, gathered based on the testimony of several elders. | + | Nic's explaining what sources he found, how trustworthy they are, what's in them (vaguely) and some extra details surrounding them. The ones he found were ballads collecting stories written in English and Welsh. He's not sure who wrote them, but assumes they' |
+ | He concludes that these ‘Blood Ballads’ were an attempted reconstruction of the old myths, gathered based on the testimony of several elders.\\ | ||
+ | He adds in a later email that the Lancae et Sanctum had elders who memorized the Testament of Longinus (basically vampire Bible) which is also super interesting. These elders would recount the Testament to others and then, eventually, flayed themselves to use their own skin to write it down. Most copies of the Testament of Longinus are based on these original Bibles (though Nic says that he's never seen one). | ||
- | He adds in a later email that the Lancae et Sanctum had elders who memorized the Testament of Longinus (basically vampire Bible) which is also super interesting.\\ | + | Nic also adds something |
- | These elders would recount the Testament | + | |
- | + | ||
- | Nic explains that he thinks that ‘Sin’ | + | |
Basically, following that initially uncomfortable bit about lesbian vampires, the rest of the emails are actually concerned completely with speculating about the history of the Daeva. | Basically, following that initially uncomfortable bit about lesbian vampires, the rest of the emails are actually concerned completely with speculating about the history of the Daeva. | ||
- | |||
- | Nic adds that there' | ||
- | Then he explains that a separate historian mentioned ‘degenerates’ who are prostitutes and whatnot. Yay, a connection! | ||
The emails end with Nic being unethical by sharing scans of the ‘Gospel of James’. The gist of it is that Mary had several dead children before Jesus (the first named James) who ended up growing up despite being dead. They then saw Jesus die and were to speak to Longinus at some point.\\ | The emails end with Nic being unethical by sharing scans of the ‘Gospel of James’. The gist of it is that Mary had several dead children before Jesus (the first named James) who ended up growing up despite being dead. They then saw Jesus die and were to speak to Longinus at some point.\\ | ||
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That's the end of this bit. The next is a film script. | That's the end of this bit. The next is a film script. | ||
==== Black Blood ==== | ==== Black Blood ==== | ||
- | < | + | This part annoys me because |
- | It's speculated by the characters | + | Anyway, the actual story here is vaguely interesting, |
- | It's here that I hit the first bit of meta-irony that made me snicker and completely took me out of the book. At this point I think that the green sticky notes //must// be Ayesha because there' | + | Various characters comment on it and trash the script, which would be amusing if those same criticisms didn't apply to //Kiss of the Succubus// |
- | Basically, there' | + | It's here that I hit the first bit of meta-irony that made me snicker and completely took me out of the book.\\ |
- | The irony here is that both of the authors of this entire | + | Basically, there' |
- | Book, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t give us Ayesha, | + | The irony here is, of course, |
+ | Book, you can’t have your cake and eat it too. You can’t give us Madael, Ayesha | ||
- | I actually read the quote that note is commenting on, wanna know what it is? I'll reuse them here directly (I'll add a proper ‘citation’ later): | + | I actually read the quote that note is commenting on, wanna know what it is? |
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< | < | ||
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< | < | ||
</ | </ | ||
- | Where is her appearance commented on here? I get that this note is referring to the cover, but it still doesn' | ||
- | The book (and consequently | + | Now to the story part of this chapter. |
- | I'll note that reading | + | The book – Black Blood – is clearly written by an actual Daeva who is skirting around the Masquerade so much that none of the characters understand how the book got published in the first place...let alone how it got to a film adaptation stage.\\ |
- | Because the characters are almost certainly correct | + | They also suspect |
- | Afterwards, there' | + | I think that the character of Adrian is based off of Ayesha, but I can’t be sure. She matches her general physical look and personality, |
+ | |||
+ | Now to sum up the story a bit. Adrian is sent to Qatar to meet with a guy and figure something out, though | ||
+ | There' | ||
...\\ | ...\\ | ||
- | So...the book //does// care about vampire | + | So...the book //does// care about vampire |
+ | Putting that aside, I think the book is wrong. I think the clothing //would// show up on IR because it would be absorbing heat from the surrounding environment, | ||
+ | |||
+ | I'll note that while I //am// a bit into the story being told here. | ||
- | Anyway, | + | Anyway, |
This is where the interesting thing happens: she asks him to talk to her as she's falling asleep.\\ | This is where the interesting thing happens: she asks him to talk to her as she's falling asleep.\\ | ||
- | Mad (all the way back in [[#Kevin]]) asked Kevin to do the same for her. I didn't mention it then because I didn't think it was particularly noteworthy. However, | + | Mad (all the way back in [[#Kevin]]) asked Kevin to do the same for her. I didn't mention it then because I didn't think it was particularly noteworthy.((: |
+ | Maybe female Daeva/ | ||
Then we get to the mythology...and the //sex stuff// again. No! Yes!\\ | Then we get to the mythology...and the //sex stuff// again. No! Yes!\\ | ||
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This was not something I expected to read.\\ | This was not something I expected to read.\\ | ||
After this, Lilith and Tammuz have an affair until Inanna finds out. She rips Tammuz' | After this, Lilith and Tammuz have an affair until Inanna finds out. She rips Tammuz' | ||
- | Inanna, not understanding // | + | Inanna, not understanding // |
- | The writers also have the gall to say that drinking blood feels better than sex. Yeah, it does, doesn' | + | The writers also have the gall to say that drinking blood feels better than sex. Yeah, it //does//, //doesn' |
After this we get a post-sex scene in the book, so back to business as usual for the book and the in-book-book. Then we read the description of a handjob, so that's nice I guess. | After this we get a post-sex scene in the book, so back to business as usual for the book and the in-book-book. Then we read the description of a handjob, so that's nice I guess. | ||
It's clear to me that this book is too racy for Michael Bay, he'd have had to tone it down a //lot//. | It's clear to me that this book is too racy for Michael Bay, he'd have had to tone it down a //lot//. | ||
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- | The characters also think that Felix isn't the author, but that the author (who they are convinced is male) has a crush on Felix. And, in fact, ‘Adrian’ is probably a self-insert. When they lay it out like that, I can sorta see it, though I still think that Felix is the likely author.\\ | ||
- | After reading further, I changed my mind. If Felix were the author, he depicts himself quite negatively for a scene. I should probably stop speculating too much on this angle, because it doesn' | ||
Black Blood reaches the most interesting moment here. After explaining all of this, it suggests that a group of Islamists started digging up a statue in the desert. Like a giant statue. This statue is the possible tomb of Lilith...which means that she's sleeping there.\\ | Black Blood reaches the most interesting moment here. After explaining all of this, it suggests that a group of Islamists started digging up a statue in the desert. Like a giant statue. This statue is the possible tomb of Lilith...which means that she's sleeping there.\\ | ||
- | Book!Felix called in a favor from the US military to have missiles level the place – hopefully killing Lilith (or whoever) in the process. A green sticky note notes that it's true that missiles were lobbed into the middle of nowhere, but she doesn' | + | Book!Felix called in a favor from the US military to have missiles level the place – hopefully killing Lilith (or whoever) in the process. A green sticky note notes that it's true that missiles were lobbed into the middle of nowhere, but he doesn' |
The idea of the progenitor of vampires being in torpor to be dug up is actually very interesting. It's similar to [[lb: | The idea of the progenitor of vampires being in torpor to be dug up is actually very interesting. It's similar to [[lb: | ||
Naturally, they ruin it by comparing the missiles to penises and comparing the destruction of Lilith to a rape. | Naturally, they ruin it by comparing the missiles to penises and comparing the destruction of Lilith to a rape. | ||
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The book ends with Adrian forcing Felix into a blood bond (which is another very interesting and creative use of vampire mechanics) and then her going to meet Lilith before the missiles hit. That's as far as we get. | The book ends with Adrian forcing Felix into a blood bond (which is another very interesting and creative use of vampire mechanics) and then her going to meet Lilith before the missiles hit. That's as far as we get. | ||
- | I'll get to the next part eventually. | + | Now, after thinking about this whole thing...I think that this is another transparent attempt by the writers to pretend that vampire lore isn't set in stone when, in fact, it is.\\ |
+ | So, to add a little context: I had assumed that what differentiated Chronicles of Darkness from the old World of Darkness is that it took a bit more of a vague toolbox-like approach to lore and whatnot. However, this clanbook has shattered that illusion very quickly. I think that CoD takes that approach // | ||
+ | I am 100% convinced that the events described in ‘Black Blood’ actually happened in the World of Darkness. I'm so convinced that I think the reason Felix is missing is purely because he got blood bonded by the author of this book, who is essentially bragging. Is the author male or female? I think it's actually likely that the author is female, but doesn' | ||
+ | I am also 100% certain that Lilith is the progenitor of the Daeva clan. It's so obvious from how this is written that I don't think any other explanation is sufficient. Does Inanna exist and did those myths happen? That I don't think so. I think that Lilith probably had a relatively benign life until she became a vampire somehow. Maybe the broad strokes are vaguely similar, but probably not. | ||
+ | ==== The End ==== | ||
+ | I have reached the end of the fluff and...I' | ||
+ | |||
+ | I'm not sure whether it's intended or not, but the ‘Collector’ is unambiguously the nicest vampire in all the sets of stories we see. He is empathetic towards others – actually feeling bad for people like Kevin and the crybaby relative of his – he generously compensates them for helping him with his research, he seems to genuinely love and care for Ayesha (despite her own claims that he's bad, we never see anything of the sorts) and he's also actually interested in the culture and history of his clan.\\ | ||
+ | This is important context for what happens. | ||
+ | |||
+ | The final story is focused around him. Specifically the Collector talking to his loyal ghoul about how he has to go into Torpor because he's aging. So the ghoul will be made his son. The weird stuff appears again because the Collector kisses the ghoul. Yeah, I don't even. The ghoul also talks about the Collector like a love, which is very weird. Along with being adopted, he tasks his new son with taking care of the papers we've been reading.\\ | ||
+ | The Collector goes into torpor and the ghoul falls asleep. That final story was written by the ghoul and he declares that he will take good care of the notes((: | ||
+ | |||
+ | Then Cat comes in and goes < | ||
+ | |||
+ | I was actually feeling bad for the Collector because, like I said, he genuinely came off as a nice person – unlike //all the other characters in the book// – only for another one of those characters to come in and take his collection away from him. | ||
+ | |||
+ | Also, there' | ||
+ | ===== Conclusion ===== | ||
+ | This conclusion section is, so far, mostly focused on the hedonism present in the book. Specifically | ||
+ | |||
+ | Vampires in //Requiem// are walking corpses. As walking corpses...they are cold to the touch and their feelings are numbed. In order to warm up, they have to use the Blush of Life – spend some blood to feel alive again for a brief moment. Further, because they' | ||
+ | These two key facts are the main issue with “sex and Daeva”.\\ | ||
+ | Because there is an assumption that Daeva would go all-in on sex, but the consequences are not thought out. I go over a few above, but I'll summarize them here. Because it costs blood to even have sex, the process isn't exactly trivial. It isn't like a human, who can go at it essentially whenever and wherever: there is an explicit cost attached to it which additionally has some risks. Spending blood means you have to regain it later. So having sex for the purpose of getting that blood is counter-intuitive and entirely unnecessary when orgasm can be achieved by the human //and// vampire by drinking //without sex//. All the sex means is that the vampire has to drink //more// to make up for the loss, which comes with the risk of harming (or killing) the human they' | ||
+ | This is especially bad in the case of Mad and Kevin, where Kevin will have died within a week of meeting her based on how often they have sex. That would immediately bring attention towards Mad and result in her exposure or death.\\ | ||
+ | So some reason has to be given for //why// they keep having sex and the book makes no attempt at doing just that. So there' | ||
+ | |||
+ | The other major issue is on a more thematic meta-sense and once I lay it out, I think it'll become obvious that //Kiss of the Succubus// failed to deliver.\\ | ||
+ | The five clans of vampires in Requiem each represent a broad archetype of the vampire from fiction. And each of those also has a major theme attached. For the Daeva, the archetype is the ‘seducer’ and their theme is ‘passion’. For the Nosferatu, the archetype is the ‘inhuman monster’ and their theme ‘inhumanity’.((: | ||
+ | The Nosferatu, despite having that archetype, don't all just appear like ugly diseased monstrosities. Some of them actually appear fairly normal and only act monstrous. Some, in fact, appear so beautiful that it enters the Uncanny Valley and freaks others out in that way. Here you can clearly see that their theme was explored to the fullest. And I'm just mentioning a few examples.\\ | ||
+ | This book, meanwhile, assumes that //all Daeva are in some way sex-obsessed// | ||
+ | |||
+ | Wouldn' | ||
+ | Or, alternatively, | ||
+ | |||
+ | Even putting aside the them of passion, the Daeva are the vampire clan closest to humanity. This is inherited from the [[lb: | ||
+ | Wouldn' | ||
+ | |||
+ | Instead of constantly reading uncomfortable sex prose, we could have been reading about how the Daeva reconcile their existence as they predate on those they love. | ||
+ | |||
+ | So, yeah, I think the cover is still pretty great. | ||
+ | |||
+ | ===== Trivilinks ===== | ||
+ | * [[https:// |
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