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 ====== Death Note ======
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-**デスノート**(Death Note) is a Japanese media franchise based on a [[lb:manga|manga]] which focuses on a random highschool student, named **Light Yagami**, who finds a Shinigami's notebook, which allows him to kill anyone provided he follows the rules.((:fn:>Which can be conveniently ignored at certain points in the story.))\\  //Death Note// is an interesting franchise because the initial story has some pretty incredible elements that are evened out by some of the dumbest things I've ever seen in a story.\\  So, yeah, I'm not gonna be popular.
+**デスノート**(Death Note) is a Japanese media franchise based on a [[lb:manga|manga]] which focuses on a random highschool student, named <dfn>Light Yagami</dfn>, who finds a <dfn>Shinigami</dfn>’s notebook, which allows him to kill anyone provided he follows the rules.((:fn:>Which can be conveniently ignored at certain points in the story.))
+<div passage>
+<cite>Death Note</cite> is an interesting franchise because the initial story has some pretty incredible elements that are evened out by some of the dumbest things I've ever seen in a story.
+So, yeah, I'm not gonna be popular.
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 ==== Anime ====
+<div rating>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star disabled>★</div>
+<div star disabled>★</div>
+</div>
+The [[lb:anime|anime]] is good overall and definitely worth a watch. However, the first 10ish episodes of the anime are the best and, following the <mark spoiler>death of <dfn>L</dfn></mark> the quality declines quite a bit.
-The [[lb:anime|anime]] is good overall and definitely worth a watch. However, the first 10ish episodes of the anime are the best and, following the <wrap spoiler>death of L</wrap> the quality declines quite a bit.\\  //Death Note// has some issues that are not immediately visible because the series is great at hooking you in. The most egregious problem with //Death Note// is that Light is a Mary Sue (Gary Stu?) and there are multiple moments in the series where the laws of the universe bend to his will. The obvious examples are: <wrap spoiler>the walk with him and Naomi, detailed below</wrap>; <wrap spoiler>the bus hijacking</wrap> and <wrap spoiler>when Light gets the Death Note back and he screams at the top of his lungs</wrap>. Besides these, another issue is the appearance of <wrap spoiler>Nier</wrap> as <wrap spoiler>he is quite literally just L again</wrap>. There are a handful of other issues that I can’t remember at this moment.\\  Something I'll note is that I dislike the nihilism of //Death Note//. I don't really know what else I could say in that regard, so I'm leaving it be.
+<cite>Death Note</cite> has some issues that are not immediately visible because the series is great at hooking you in. The most egregious problem with <cite>Death Note</cite> is that Light is a Mary Sue (Gary Stu?) and there are multiple moments in the series where the laws of the universe bend to his will. The obvious examples are: <mark spoiler>the walk with him and Naomi, detailed below</mark>; <mark spoiler>the bus hijacking</mark> and <mark spoiler>when Light gets the <dfn>Death Note</dfn> back and he screams at the top of his lungs</mark>. Besides these, another issue is the appearance of <mark spoiler><dfn>Nier</dfn></mark> as <mark spoiler>he is quite literally just L again</mark>. There are a handful of other issues that I can’t remember at this moment.
+Something I'll note is that I dislike the nihilism of //Death Note//. I don't really know what else I could say in that regard, so I'm leaving it there.
 ==== Japanese Films ====
+<div rating>
-I've only seen the first two of these and, honestly, they're okay. Putting aside their natural weirdness, they compress the story well and give it a better (if less climactic) ending, because <wrap spoiler>L actually beats Light</wrap>.
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star disabled>★</div>
+</div>
+I've only seen the first two of these and, honestly, they're okay. Putting aside their natural weirdness, they compress the story well and give it a better (if less climactic) ending, because <mark spoiler>L actually beats Light</mark>.
 ==== Games ====
 === Kira Death Game ===
+<div rating>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star>★</div>
+<div star disabled>★</div>
+<div star disabled>★</div>
+<div star disabled>★</div>
+</div>
 I spent a little time playing this DS game and, well, I'll just say that it's likely to be more fun in multiplayer.
 ===== Speculah & Analysis =====
 ==== Death Note's Quality is a Fluke ====
+There are some hints that suggest <cite>Death Note</cite> is good //by accident//. This is mainly down to Light's status as a Mary Sue and **the Sequence** I'll get to below. The **Sequence** was created in a scramble to avoid derailing the story and it really shows.
-There are some hints that suggest //Death Note// is good //by accident//. This is mainly down to Light's status as a Mary Sue and the **Sequence** I'll get to below. The **Sequence** was created in a scramble to avoid derailing the story and it really shows.\\  While I don't have experience myself, my friend's girlfriend (yes, really) has read another work by the same author and said it isn't good. I'm noting that just because it's relevant to ‘good by accident’ but, well, this is obviously not conclusive evidence.
+While I don't have experience myself, my friend's girlfriend (yes, really) has read another work by the same author and said it isn't good. I'm noting that just because it's relevant to ‘good by accident’ but, well, this is obviously not conclusive evidence.
 ==== The Broken Sequence that fixes Death Note ====
+<div callout caution>
+**Note that spoilers here are unmarked, be warned!**
+</div>
-Note that spoilers here are unmarked, be warned!\\  Here I'm referring to the sequence where Light and Naomi (FBI chick) are walking from the police station...and then back to the police station.\\  The interaction between the two of them is pretty bad and causes quite a lot of damage to the series. Let me explain why.\\  The fundamental problem is that Naomi isn't acting like a normal person and, more egregiously, is not acting //in character// considering the situation. This isn't the last time something like this happens to a character in //Death Note//, but this is the most egregious instance.\\  Let's look at this from Naomi's perspective:
+<div passage>
+Here I'm referring to the sequence where Light and <dfn>Naomi</dfn> (FBI chick) are walking from the police station...and then back to the police station.
-  * Her fiancé, an FBI agent, was killed by Kira.
+The interaction between the two of them is pretty bad and causes quite a lot of damage to the series. Let me explain why.
+</div>
+<div passage>
+The fundamental problem is that Naomi isn't acting like a normal person and, more egregiously, is not acting //in character// considering the situation. This isn't the last time something like this happens to a character in <cite>Death Note</cite>, but this is the most egregious instance.
+Let's look at this from Naomi's perspective:
+  * Her fiancé, an FBI agent, was killed by <dfn>Kira</dfn>.
   * That fiancé was in a highly unusual incident a few days prior.
   * That incident involved one of the targets of investigation.
   * She figured out that Kira can kill with methods other than heart attacks.
-  * She needs to relay this information to the Special Investigators.
+  * She needs to relay this information to the <dfn>Special Investigators</dfn>.
   * Her own life is in danger.
+That last point is the most important as she really //shouldn't// trust anybody she isn't sure is part of the investigation team.
-That last point is the most important as she really //shouldn't// trust anybody she isn't sure is part of the investigation team.\\  Now, consider the situation she is currently in: she went to police headquarters and found nobody from the Special Investigations team was there. While there, she meets the son of the Police Chief who she talks to and, well, he walks her out of the building.\\  However...then he starts following her. He follows her for an //unusual// amount of time until she points it out to him. He gives some excuse and continues following her. He's curious in why she's at police headquarters. She intends to circle around hoping someone will be around when she gets back, but this guy is still following her.\\  When she finally intends to turn around and go back to the station, he claims that //nobody// is going to be there (completely new information) and, further, that he is part of the team so she should just relay whatever information she has to him.\\  Taking all that together, there is no reason she should trust him. The anime even has her glancing back at Light as if to say ‘she's suspicious’ and as if to //mock me//, //**directly**//, for noticing how unusual this all is. While Light's questions about why Naomi was there, who she was and such can be easily excused as casual curiosity...the main fact is that he's following her for no good reason. In a real life situation, that is highly unusual. Anything he says after the fact he keeps following her is //obviously// a lie or excuse. She's a former FBI investigator...why the Hell does she trust him after all that?\\  The main flaw here, that Naomi isn't thinking, stems from the series' central flaw: Light is a Mary Sue.((:fn:>The other aspect of this is that Light is not very smart. If he were thinking like an intelligent person, he wouldn't be following her so overtly.)) The reason Naomi doesn't find this suspicious is, quite simply, because Light //needs// her to not find him suspicious.\\  I think this whole sequence is a microcosm of the issues that plague the entire series...just that they're exasperated here because it was rushed. Rushed? Why, yes.\\  The author found that Naomi was way too good for the plan that he had set out for the series...I mean, just look at the beginning of that situation: Light loses the second she reports her findings. So the author decided to quickly get rid of her to keep his original story plan in place. That's why this is the ‘broken sequence that **fixes** Death Note’.\\  This is definitely the reason why the issues are so visible here while they're generally unnoticeable in the rest of the series.\\  Despite it ‘fixing’ //Death Note//, I think the far better option would have been to put the series on hiatus while the author re-planned something...because he clearly is not good at the whole ‘improvisation’ thing.
+Now, consider the situation she is currently in: she went to police headquarters and found nobody from the Special Investigations team was there. While there, she meets the son of the Police Chief who she talks to and, well, he walks her out of the building.
+However...then he starts following her. He follows her for an //unusual// amount of time until she points it out to him. He gives some excuse and continues following her. He's curious as to why she's at police headquarters. She intends to circle around hoping someone will be around when she gets back. The guy continues to follow her.
+When she finally intends to turn around and go back to the station, he claims that //nobody// is going to be there (completely new information) and, further, that he is part of the team so she should just relay whatever information she has to him.
+</div>
+----
+Taking all that together, there is no reason she should trust him. The anime even has her glancing back at Light as if to say <q :en>he's suspicious</q> and as if to //mock me//, //**directly**//, for noticing how unusual this all is. While Light's questions about why Naomi was there, who she was and such can be easily excused as casual curiosity...the main fact is that he's following her for no good reason. In a real life situation, that is highly unusual. Anything he says after the fact he keeps following her is //obviously// a lie or excuse. She's a former FBI investigator...why the Hell does she trust him after all that?
+The main flaw here – that Naomi isn't thinking – stems from the series' central flaw: Light is a Mary Sue.((:fn:>The other aspect of this is that Light is not very smart. If he were thinking like an intelligent person, he wouldn't be following her so overtly.)) The reason Naomi doesn't find this suspicious is, quite simply, because Light //needs// her to not find him suspicious.
+<div passage>
+I think this whole sequence is a microcosm of the issues that plague the entire series...just that they're exasperated here because it was rushed. Rushed? Why, yes.
+The author found that Naomi was way too good for the plan that he had set out for the series...I mean, just look at the beginning of that situation: Light loses the second she reports her findings. So the author decided to quickly get rid of her to keep his original story plan in place. That's why this is the <q :en>broken sequence that **fixes** <cite>Death Note</cite></q>.
+This is definitely the reason why the issues are so visible here while they're generally unnoticeable in the rest of the series.
+</div>
+----
+Despite it ‘fixing’ <cite>Death Note</cite>, I think the far better option would have been to put the series on hiatus while the author re-planned something...because he clearly is not good at the whole ‘improvisation’ thing.
 ==== Light is Stupid (and Lucky) ====
-This is something I won't elaborate on for a while, but the series has a quirky issue where it presents Light as highly intelligent while his actual actions suggest he really isn't.\\  Seriously, pay attention to what he does...it's honestly amazing that L didn't beat Light near the start of the series...as he actually //is// intelligent.\\  It's a little disturbing that I haven't noticed anyone else notice this about Light.
+This is something I won't elaborate on for a while, but the series has a quirky issue where it presents Light as highly intelligent while his actual actions suggest he really isn't.
+Seriously, pay attention to what he does...it's honestly amazing that L didn't beat Light near the start of the series...as he actually //is// intelligent.
+It's a little disturbing that I haven't noticed anyone else notice this about Light.
+==== The Bus Hijacking ====
+I checked this article and realized that the bus hijacking is actually another great example of Light's nature as a Mary Sue. It's also, ironically, what almost gets him got.
+What do I mean? Well...
+<div passage>
+The rules of the Death Note mean that you cannot have a criminal do something they wouldn't be able to do.((:fn:>There is a whole other thing here where the Death Note allows anyone to commit suicide because apparently that's something every human has the capacity to do, but I'm not gonna focus on that too much...yet.)) Basically, you can only tell the criminal to do something ‘in character’: hence why a criminal who doesn't speak French can’t write a message in French, or why a criminal locked up can’t die in another location. In the event any part of that is impossible, it just defaults to a heart attack.((:fn:>That's if I'm remembering this correctly, so I'll ask someone else for confirmation later.))
+That would mean that this entire bus hijacking is not possible...and Light would just be sitting around, awkwardly, while on a date.
+</div>
+<div passage>
+The plan hinges on three things which I don't think can be possible in combination.
+First, Light specifies that the hijacker will walk over and pick up a note that he dropped. Light isn't currently in the bus and there's no guarantee that he //will// be there...so I suspect he wouldn't be ‘counted’ by the Death Note. Though I'll admit this is my weakest argument, because it's really ambiguous as to whether Light acting consciously (or not) should be factored in. I'm leaning very hard towards //no//,((:fn:>I remembered recently that Light also had to trick the aforementioned FBI investigator to write people's names in the Death Note, because Light (presumably) couldn't just write that he writes the names of others in the Death Note. So why that wouldn't be allowed and why this would be is ambiguous.)) because Light could have gotten sick, tripped, gotten mugged on the way or just decided not to...or forgotten the plan. All of those would render the entire plan gone. Though I must also admit that I don't remember exactly whether //that// was specified in the Death Note, but it //is// definitely the case that the entire plan hinges on it.
+Second, Light specifies that the hijacker will see a ‘demon’ and then start to panic. This eventually leads the hijacker to stop the bus to get away. This is the part that is definitely impossible because, while he's an addict, you can’t just assume he's going to randomly hallucinate during a bus hijacking, Light. In fact, that's //not// what happens, because Light has to consciously intervene with the note above (the demon in question being <dfn>Ryuk</dfn>). I think this is the most blatant example of the series ignoring the rules of the Death Note for Light's benefit.
+Third, the death itself relies on a random vehicle appearing after the bus stops, to kill the hijacker. This one is the most ambiguous, I feel, because the deaths are reliant upon something being able to plausibly happen. So someone dying in a car accident is more likely to happen if they're currently driving versus them not having a driver's license. Considering that, as far as we see it, the road is completely empty besides the bus...I find it unlikely that he should have died by car.
+Actually, I change my mind, this is probably the weakest argument I have. Though if the likelihood of him dying by getting hit by a car is too low, it would still render the entire situation impossible, meaning he dies by a heart attack and Light has to //unfortunately// go on a date with a //<em underline highlight>hot girl</em>//.
+</div>
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