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 ===== Cliché Critique =====
-Now, there are various reasons why this is irritating, though this being a //cliché// and not a //trope// should indicate that it's generally poorly implemented.\\
+Now, there are various reasons why this is irritating, though this being a //cliché// and not a //trope// should indicate that it's generally poorly implemented.
 Let's start with the premise. Wars are not fought exclusively because we hate each-other. Many wars are fought for ideological reasons...or for resources. There are even people who think that wars are exclusively fought for resources rather than ideology/hatred. I don't think that's the case, but that's not relevant right now.\\
-The point is that wars are fought for a variety of reasons, so this assumption is quite naïve.\\
+The point is that wars are fought for a variety of reasons, so this assumption is quite naïve.
 The next issue is that it generally ignores real-world considerations when these differences are put aside. IE...the fact that we are choosing not to hate each-other doesn't change the fact that resources are still scarce, for example. Or it doesn't change the fact that not everyone wants to live in the same kind of society. Or any number of other things.\\
 This kind of world is destined to eventually fall back into a state of war at some point.
+==== What happens next? ====
+Something that all of these stories inevitably struggle with is the question “what happens next?” if they continue //after// the Japanese Kumbaya ending.
+From my experience...confusion. This is because the writer seems to realize that stuff just doesn't add up, so they struggle to answer the question properly. The Japanese Kumbaya is meant to be functionally identical to a “Happily Ever After...” which is probably why the struggle exists: it wasn't ‘designed’ with the expectation of continuation.
+However, I think it can go into a few directions:
+  * The plot will revolve around someone attempting to go back to the state of war.((:fn:>I believe this is the case in //Allison//.))
+  * The world just straight-up devolves back into war.
+  * The story starts meandering.
+  * The same thing happens again.((:fn:>You see this in [[lb:le]] where Gin'yoku no Fam just repeats the Japanese Kumbaya thing from the first season.))
+  * The story starts to focus on something vaguely related but ultimately distinct.((:fn:>Also the case with //Allison//, specifically the second volume.))
+Though I haven't observed this //that// much, since stories don't tend to continue after the fact that often.
+===== Possible Explanation? =====
+I thought of this recently, but realized that...//maybe// there is a situation where a line of reasoning can lead you to conclude this actually makes sense.
+I think that this might be due to Japan's homogenous and high-trust society.
+This perspective – that we're all basically the same and should just set our petty differences aside – make the most sense if everyone is //already// on the same page...like in //Japan// itself.
 ===== Media Examples =====
 ==== Allison ====
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 ==== Ao no 6-gou ====
 [[lb:ao6]] is one of the more vexing examples of this trope at play. Not only does it suggest this, but it has the gall to suggest that the conflict depicted is morally neutral. I would suggest reading the review for an explanation.
+==== Appleseed ====
+[[lb:appleseed]] depicts this in a way, just that it goes about it differently. It still assumes that all war boils down to hatred and whatnot...but instead of depicting a world where //humans// set aside their differences...Appleseed creates an entirely new race of artificial humans – bioroids – who have their negative emotions suppressed and, as a result, they are immune to committing crime or war.
+This example is quirky because...well, Appleseed doesn't claim that //humans// can be like this. So I think it actually manages to avoid the cliché by thinking about it a little more.
 ==== Code Geass ====
 [[lb:codegeass]] is a...I don't know whether interesting or not example.\\
-Code Geass understands that ‘hatred’ isn't all the drives warfare...but it clearly assumes that hatred plays a big part.\\
+Code Geass understands that ‘hatred’ isn't all that drives warfare...but it clearly assumes that hatred plays a big part.\\
 The <wrap spoiler>Zero Requiem plan</wrap> is, in fact, directly dependent on this assumption to work. Though it's kinda quirky because of //how// it's all set up...yeah, it's just weird. Like all of Code Geass I guess. I'd need more time to think about it.
 ==== Cross Ange ====