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| ====== Tolkien' | ====== Tolkien' | ||
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| - | **Tolkien’s Legendarium** is a catch-all term to refer to the stories by [[lb: | + | **Tolkien’s Legendarium** is a catch-all term to refer to the stories by [[lb: |
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| ===== Reviews ===== | ===== Reviews ===== | ||
| ==== The Hobbit ==== | ==== The Hobbit ==== | ||
| - | Yeah, I really liked reading | + | <div rating> |
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| + | Yeah, I really liked reading | ||
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| + | But putting that aside...any issues? Yeah, there are a few. First of all...it' | ||
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| + | The comedic tone here actually doesn' | ||
| - | But putting | + | I should note that I don't think these issues are that significant, |
| - | The comedic tone here actually doesn' | + | </ |
| ==== The Silmarillion ==== | ==== The Silmarillion ==== | ||
| - | Having just finished reading | + | <div rating> |
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| + | Having just finished reading | ||
| I did have some trouble following events, names and locations – but that's maybe just a me thing. | I did have some trouble following events, names and locations – but that's maybe just a me thing. | ||
| - | Putting aside its status as a history book, I'll note that it //feels// a bit different from //The Hobbit//, though I can’t articulate exactly why.\\ | + | <div passage> |
| - | I think it's related to //The Silmarillion/ | + | Putting aside its status as a history book, I'll note that it //feels// a bit different from < |
| - | Basically...I think it's pretty clear that //The Silmarillion/ | + | |
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| + | Basically...I think it's pretty clear that < | ||
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| ==== Films ==== | ==== Films ==== | ||
| === Peter Jackson' | === Peter Jackson' | ||
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| These are good. I dunno what else to say.\\ | These are good. I dunno what else to say.\\ | ||
| There are some who think that it doesn' | There are some who think that it doesn' | ||
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| I'll possibly elaborate on this later, it's just that besides “good music” I can’t think of anything concrete. | I'll possibly elaborate on this later, it's just that besides “good music” I can’t think of anything concrete. | ||
| === The Hobbit: Maple Film's Edit === | === The Hobbit: Maple Film's Edit === | ||
| - | This is now my preferred way of watching | + | <div rating> |
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| + | This is now my preferred way of watching | ||
| I won't say much about the Peter Jackson films because I've only seen the first two and I barely remember them, as compared to this edit. | I won't say much about the Peter Jackson films because I've only seen the first two and I barely remember them, as compared to this edit. | ||
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| Get [[http:// | Get [[http:// | ||
| === The Hobbit (Animated) === | === The Hobbit (Animated) === | ||
| - | Honestly? I'd say this is a bad film and not a particularly great adaptation. It's more faithful, in a way, because it does include lines ripped straight from the book...but...\\ | + | <div rating> |
| - | They pronounce ‘Smaug’ as ‘Smog’. While lines are ripped straight from the book, they are cut together in ways that make no sense. The most glaring example that I remember is “I am Gandalf and Gandalf means me!” which has zero prior buildup...in the book, Bilbo asks him who he is...in the film Gandalf just says this out of the blue, which makes him look insane. | + | <div star> |
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| + | Honestly? I'd say this is a bad film and not a particularly great adaptation. It's more faithful, in a way, because it does include lines ripped straight from the book...but... | ||
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| + | They pronounce ‘Smaug’ as ‘Smog’. While lines are ripped straight from the book, they are cut together in ways that make no sense. The most glaring example that I remember is <q :en>I am Gandalf and Gandalf means me!</ | ||
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| - | The depiction of the elves is also pretty awful and...I' | + | The depiction of the elves is also pretty awful and...I' |
| === The Lord of The Rings (Animated) === | === The Lord of The Rings (Animated) === | ||
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| This film is not good, I'll say so bluntly. In fact, it raises a lot of questions...regarding //how// Peter Jackson created a comparatively faithful film trilogy. | This film is not good, I'll say so bluntly. In fact, it raises a lot of questions...regarding //how// Peter Jackson created a comparatively faithful film trilogy. | ||
| It has a similar issue to the animated Hobbit, in that it rips a lot of lines straight from the book...without accounting for all the lost context. Thus leading to some awkwardness. | It has a similar issue to the animated Hobbit, in that it rips a lot of lines straight from the book...without accounting for all the lost context. Thus leading to some awkwardness. | ||
| - | Mispronunciations are everywhere, but the most egregious one is probably Celeborn (pronounced as Seleborn), delivered by Galadriel herself. I think that, besides Isengard, nothing was pronounced correctly. | + | Mispronunciations are everywhere, but the most egregious one is probably |
| - | The animation/ | + | <div passage> |
| - | I'd hesitate to call any of the art good, with a few exceptions (some backgrounds and Gandalf explaining his fight with Durin' | + | The animation/ |
| - | Some of the characters just come across as...weird, due to the animation. Gandalf, in particular – with his many gestures – looks like he's crazy. | + | |
| - | You may be tempted to think that this film is funny bad...but it really isn't. Outside of the interaction between Gandalf and Saruman, there isn't anything particularly funny. Well...I guess “M' | + | I'd hesitate to call any of the art good, with a few exceptions (some backgrounds and <span notion> |
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| + | Some of the characters just come across as...weird, due to the animation. <span notion> | ||
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| + | You may be tempted to think that this film is funny bad...but it really isn't. Outside of the interaction between | ||
| I think that the animated Hobbit is better than this, which is an achievement on its own. | I think that the animated Hobbit is better than this, which is an achievement on its own. | ||
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| The film also ends abruptly. Like, very abruptly. This is // | The film also ends abruptly. Like, very abruptly. This is // | ||
| === Return of the King (animated) === | === Return of the King (animated) === | ||
| - | Between this and the previous film...this one is unquestionably better.\\ | + | <div rating> |
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| + | Between this and the previous film...this one is unquestionably better. | ||
| Not only is the quality more consistent (in animation/ | Not only is the quality more consistent (in animation/ | ||
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| - | Mispronunciations are present as well, which makes it unexpectedly consistent with the previous films. It's also, bizarrely, presented as a sequel to //The Hobbit// – though this was done due to licensing issues. | + | Mispronunciations are present as well, which makes it unexpectedly consistent with the previous films. It's also, bizarrely, presented as a sequel to < |
| - | The highlights of this film include Sam being a badass and //[[lb:Where There' | + | The highlights of this film include |
| Would I recommend watching it? Probably not. | Would I recommend watching it? Probably not. | ||
| === The War of the Rohirrim === | === The War of the Rohirrim === | ||
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| I'll be honest: I liked this film a lot. It was about average in quality, but everything //did// fit together. | I'll be honest: I liked this film a lot. It was about average in quality, but everything //did// fit together. | ||
| - | I can’t really say much off the top of my head that would be of interest. It's mostly just “animation was good”, “heard the theme of Rohan again which was great” and “Helm was a badass”. | + | I can’t really say much off the top of my head that would be of interest. It's mostly just <q :en>animation was good</q>, <q :en>heard the theme of Rohan again which was great</ |
| Obviously, I'm not sure about lore accuracy, but they //did// adapt a story that was vague in the first place; granting some leeway. | Obviously, I'm not sure about lore accuracy, but they //did// adapt a story that was vague in the first place; granting some leeway. | ||
| - | I think Héra((: | + | I think <span notion>Héra</ |
| - | Though I //would// have liked to see Olórin for just a frame. | + | Though I //would// have liked to see <span notion>Olórin</ |
| ===== Speculah & Analysis ===== | ===== Speculah & Analysis ===== | ||
| ==== Canon ==== | ==== Canon ==== | ||
| - | I'll note it here but ‘canon’ is probably not easy to apply to the Legendarium. Basically the only work that we can consider ‘definitively canon’ would be //The Lord of The Rings// and everything else is up in the air. | + | I'll note it here but ‘canon’ is probably not easy to apply to the < |
| While Tolkien did seem to be the kind of author who cares //a lot// about maintaining internal consistency, | While Tolkien did seem to be the kind of author who cares //a lot// about maintaining internal consistency, | ||
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| Personally, I've decided to start treating Tolkien' | Personally, I've decided to start treating Tolkien' | ||
| - | I think it //would// be possible to construct an internally consistent canon (and for fanfiction reasons, I'm thinking of doing exactly that) but there isn't really a need to. And, let's be honest, at that point it isn't //Tolkien’s// Legendarium | + | I think it //would// be possible to construct an internally consistent canon (and for fanfiction reasons, I'm thinking of doing exactly that) but there isn't really a need to. And, let's be honest, at that point it isn' |
| ==== Do Balrogs have wings? ==== | ==== Do Balrogs have wings? ==== | ||
| - | I won't really comment on this too much since it's been done to death...but I find it interesting that nobody seems to consider the following possibility: | + | I won't really comment on this too much since it's been done to death...but I find it interesting that nobody seems to consider the following possibility: |
| - | I noticed that most arguments are implicitly focused on whether or not Balrogs can fly...when, to me, it seems most obvious that the Balrogs //do// have wings...but that // | + | I noticed that most arguments are implicitly focused on whether or not <span notion>Balrogs</ |
| Why would a creature have wings if they can’t fly? See any number of flightless birds for your answer. | Why would a creature have wings if they can’t fly? See any number of flightless birds for your answer. | ||
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| I'm writing this quickly since it came to mind. I think that the consensus is that elves // | I'm writing this quickly since it came to mind. I think that the consensus is that elves // | ||
| - | The reason I'm not satisfied with that is that it makes the act of eating kinda pointless and, thus, it makes the most sense to just not eat at all. So why would lembas exist? | + | The reason I'm not satisfied with that is that it makes the act of eating kinda pointless and, thus, it makes the most sense to just not eat at all. So why would <span notion>lembas</ |
| - | Instead, I propose that elves //do need to eat// but that they won't die of starvation. So they' | + | <div passage> |
| - | I think this lines up with what we actually see regarding Maedhros for example, who begs to be killed after hanging on a cliff for a few decades (or centuries). Unless he's suffering from boredom, I think it makes a lot of sense to suggest he's been starving. | + | Instead, I propose that elves //do need to eat// but that they won't die of starvation. So they' |
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| + | I think this lines up with what we actually see regarding | ||
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| ==== Do the elves of Valinor know what's happening? ==== | ==== Do the elves of Valinor know what's happening? ==== | ||
| - | This is a question I'm temporarily raising after having read something interesting in //The Silmarillion/ | + | This is a question I'm temporarily raising after having read something interesting in < |
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| - | When Eärendil and Elwing reach Valinor, Eärendil wanders off alone to find someone to plead his case to((: | + | She and they talk, during which she explains many of the things that happened in <span notion>Middle-Earth</ |
| - | She and they talk, during which she explains many of the things that happened in Middle-Earth – and it's here where my interest was piqued – they were “filled with pity and wonder” – which implies they didn't know what was going on. | + | </ |
| - | Whether the elves of Valinor know about the events in Middle-Earth or not makes a big difference, though I won't elaborate for a while. | + | Whether the elves of <span notion>Valinor</ |
| ==== On Neo-Elvish ==== | ==== On Neo-Elvish ==== | ||
| Read the [[lb: | Read the [[lb: | ||
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