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| ====== Tolkien' | ====== Tolkien' | ||
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| - | **Tolkien’s Legendarium** is a catch-all term to refer to the stories by [[lb: | + | <dfn>Tolkien’s Legendarium</ |
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| ===== Reviews ===== | ===== Reviews ===== | ||
| ==== The Hobbit ==== | ==== The Hobbit ==== | ||
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| ==== Films ==== | ==== Films ==== | ||
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| - | These are good. I dunno what else to say.\\ | + | <div rating [data-rating=6] [data-favorite=true]> |
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| + | These are good. I dunno what else to say. | ||
| There are some who think that the films don't do a good job, but I think it still manages to communicate Tolkienien themes well enough. | There are some who think that the films don't do a good job, but I think it still manages to communicate Tolkienien themes well enough. | ||
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| I'll possibly elaborate on this later, it's just that besides “good music” I can’t think of anything concrete. | I'll possibly elaborate on this later, it's just that besides “good music” I can’t think of anything concrete. | ||
| === The Hobbit: Maple Film's Edit === | === The Hobbit: Maple Film's Edit === | ||
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| This is now my preferred way of watching < | This is now my preferred way of watching < | ||
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| === The Hobbit (Animated) === | === The Hobbit (Animated) === | ||
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| Honestly? I'd say this is a bad film and not a particularly great adaptation. It's more faithful, in a way, because it does include lines ripped straight from the book...but... | Honestly? I'd say this is a bad film and not a particularly great adaptation. It's more faithful, in a way, because it does include lines ripped straight from the book...but... | ||
| - | They pronounce ‘Smaug’ as ‘Smog’. While lines are ripped straight from the book, they are cut together in ways that make no sense. The most glaring example that I remember is <q :en>I am Gandalf and Gandalf means me!</ | + | //They pronounce ‘[[lb:tl:Smaug]]’ as ‘**Smog**’//. |
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| + | While lines are ripped straight from the book, they are cut together in ways that make no sense. The most glaring example that I remember is <q :en>I am [[lb:tl:Gandalf]] and Gandalf means me!</ | ||
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| - | The depiction of the elves is also pretty awful and...I' | + | The depiction of the elves is also pretty awful and...I' |
| === The Lord of The Rings (Animated) === | === The Lord of The Rings (Animated) === | ||
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| - | This film is not good, I'll say so bluntly. In fact, it raises a lot of questions...regarding //how// Peter Jackson created a comparatively faithful film trilogy. | + | <div rating [data-rating=1] [data-favorite=false]> |
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| + | This film is //not good//, I'll say so bluntly. In fact, it raises a lot of questions...regarding //how// Peter Jackson created a comparatively faithful film trilogy. | ||
| - | It has a similar issue to the animated Hobbit, in that it rips a lot of lines straight from the book...without accounting for all the lost context. Thus leading to some awkwardness. | + | It has a similar issue to the < |
| - | Mispronunciations are everywhere, but the most egregious one is probably | + | Mispronunciations are everywhere, but the most egregious one is probably |
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| The animation/ | The animation/ | ||
| - | I'd hesitate to call any of the art good, with a few exceptions (some backgrounds and <span notion>Gandalf</ | + | I'd hesitate to call any of the art good, with a few exceptions (some backgrounds and Gandalf explaining his fight with Durin' |
| - | Some of the characters just come across as...weird, due to the animation. | + | Some of the characters just come across as...weird, due to the animation. Gandalf, in particular – with his many gestures – looks like he's crazy. |
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| - | You may be tempted to think that this film is funny bad...but it really isn't. Outside of the interaction between | + | You may be tempted to think that this film is funny bad...but it really isn't. Outside of the interaction between Gandalf and [[lb:tl:Saruman]], there isn't anything particularly funny. Well...I guess <q : |
| - | I think that the animated Hobbit is better than this, which is an achievement on its own. | + | I think that the < |
| The film also ends abruptly. Like, very abruptly. This is // | The film also ends abruptly. Like, very abruptly. This is // | ||
| === Return of the King (animated) === | === Return of the King (animated) === | ||
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| Between this and the previous film...this one is unquestionably better. | Between this and the previous film...this one is unquestionably better. | ||
| - | Not only is the quality more consistent (in animation/ | + | Not only is the quality more consistent (in animation/ |
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| Mispronunciations are present as well, which makes it unexpectedly consistent with the previous films. It's also, bizarrely, presented as a sequel to < | Mispronunciations are present as well, which makes it unexpectedly consistent with the previous films. It's also, bizarrely, presented as a sequel to < | ||
| - | The highlights of this film include | + | The highlights of this film include |
| Would I recommend watching it? Probably not. | Would I recommend watching it? Probably not. | ||
| === The War of the Rohirrim === | === The War of the Rohirrim === | ||
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| I'll be honest: I liked this film a lot. It was about average in quality, but everything //did// fit together. | I'll be honest: I liked this film a lot. It was about average in quality, but everything //did// fit together. | ||
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| Obviously, I'm not sure about lore accuracy, but they //did// adapt a story that was vague in the first place; granting some leeway. | Obviously, I'm not sure about lore accuracy, but they //did// adapt a story that was vague in the first place; granting some leeway. | ||
| - | I think <span notion>Héra</ | + | I think [[lb:tl:Héra]]((:fn:>I checked because I was certain that Héra //does// appear in ‘canon’ despite, y' |
| - | Though I //would// have liked to see <span notion>Olórin</ | + | Though I //would// have liked to see [[lb: |
| ===== Speculah & Analysis ===== | ===== Speculah & Analysis ===== | ||
| ==== Canon ==== | ==== Canon ==== | ||
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| This leads us to the situation we end up with with Mythologies in the real world: what //did// and // | This leads us to the situation we end up with with Mythologies in the real world: what //did// and // | ||
| - | Personally, I've decided to start treating Tolkien's world //as// a mythology (or like a Japanese franchise). That means that everything and nothing is canon at the same time. | + | Personally, I've decided to start treating Tolkien’s world //as// a mythology (or like a Japanese franchise). That means that everything and nothing is canon at the same time. |
| - | I think it //would// be possible to construct an internally consistent canon (and for fanfiction reasons, I'm thinking of doing exactly that) but there isn't really a need to. And, let's be honest, at that point it isn't < | + | I think it //would// be possible to construct an internally consistent canon (and for fanfiction reasons, I'm thinking of doing exactly that) but there isn't really a need to. And, let's be honest, at that point it isn't < |
| ==== Do Balrogs have wings? ==== | ==== Do Balrogs have wings? ==== | ||
| - | I won't really comment on this too much since it's been done to death...but I find it interesting that nobody seems to consider the following possibility: | + | I won't really comment on this too much since it's been done to death...but I find it interesting that nobody seems to consider the following possibility: |
| - | I noticed that most arguments are implicitly focused on whether or not <span notion>Balrogs</ | + | I noticed that most arguments are implicitly focused on whether or not Balrogs can fly...when, to me, it seems most obvious that the Balrogs //do// have wings...but that // |
| Why would a creature have wings if they can’t fly? See any number of flightless birds for your answer. | Why would a creature have wings if they can’t fly? See any number of flightless birds for your answer. | ||
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| - | Instead, I propose that elves //do need to eat// but that they won't die of starvation. So they' | + | Instead, I propose that elves //do need to eat// but that they //won't// die of starvation. So they' |
| - | I think this lines up with what we actually see regarding | + | I think this lines up with what we actually see regarding |
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| ==== Do the elves of Valinor know what's happening? ==== | ==== Do the elves of Valinor know what's happening? ==== | ||
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| - | When <span notion>Eärendil</ | + | When [[lb:tl:Eärendil]] and [[lb:tl:Elwing]] reach <span notion> |
| She and they talk, during which she explains many of the things that happened in <span notion> | She and they talk, during which she explains many of the things that happened in <span notion> | ||
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