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 ==== Lucifer ====
-Here I'm referring to the Lucifer TV show, which found its way to Netflix at some point. Lucifer is a crime show about the devil himself helping a police detective solve crimes. Seriously, that's what the show is about. In addition to all that, there are often supernatural shenanigans happening. I don't care much for //Lucifer// since I forgot to keep up with it, though I did enjoy it until then...though //Lucifer// was insane anyhow. Apparently Eve marries Mazikeen? What?\\  In //Lucifer//, Lilith makes a very brief appearance, but is mentioned a couple'a times. She is stated to be the mother of demons, who serve Lucifer in Hell, which includes Mazikeen.((:fn:>For those who don't know: Maz is Lucifer's sexy demon bartender/helper/friend.))\\  She and Lucifer were friends and Wikipedia states they were ex-lovers. My memory doesn't say this is wrong, but I don't remember that being explicitly stated. Ah, well, doesn't matter.\\  She had apparently given birth to the Lilim (demons) on her own. There is a question of how she managed to do this, but it doesn't really matter. Her demonic children were made into super-orphans who lack souls((:fn:>There are some...possible philosophical and metaphysical issues with that. I remember thinking back when I watched this show that the demons definitely have souls so, if they really didn't...well, shit. But that's not the point of this article or this section.)) to make them strong and independent like how she is strong and independent. Yes, Lilith is a feminist. And, just like every feminist, she's a deadbeat mom.\\  Adam also remains infatuated with her, apparently. Although we only have Eve's word on this (and she is in the process of cheating on Adam((:fn:>Sure she's no longer married to him because marriage ends once death occurs...but still. Kinda a shitty thing to do.))((:fn:>It's also kinda...icky in a meta sense, suggesting that the first woman is committing infidelity and a lesbian and so on. It could //easily// be turned into a way to point at women and go 'see, they're inherently immoral/prone to cheating because the first woman was like that!'. This kind of association is obviously bad and I generally lean towards 'avoid it please'.)) and previously cheated on him) so we can’t be sure that's true. If it is, that infatuation lasted a //very// long time.\\  This portrayal makes her look bad, which is kinda important if big G is supposed to be good, or at least neutral, but the show probably doesn't fully realize that she //is// bad? I mean, her position of ‘I must be strong and independent’ is a clear feminist ideal, but her children are all aforementioned super-orphans who lack souls. Plus she hasn't been in their life at all and then she fucked off to live alone for the rest of her life, never meeting any of them. If she is intended to be a pure bad girl, then this is fine...all I'm saying is, that it's thematically hilarious that the feminist is treated so poorly when the show generally leans progressive.\\  Lilith's portrayal in Lucifer is probably the closest to the folklore in that she's a //bad// girl who befriended/banged Lucifer at some point, gave birth to all the demons and was the first woman made. Good on you //Lucifer//. Though...I //am// suspecting this is accidental. This //feels// like an attempt at a morally neutral or good Lilith that fumbled the execution big time. Refer to this if you want a hypocritical Lilith, but otherwise refer to //In Nomine// for a neutral portrayal.
+Here I'm referring to the Lucifer TV show, which found its way to Netflix at some point. Lucifer is a crime show about the devil himself helping a police detective solve crimes. Seriously, that's what the show is about. In addition to all that, there are often supernatural shenanigans happening. I don't care much for //Lucifer// since I forgot to keep up with it, though I did enjoy it until then...though //Lucifer// was insane anyhow. Apparently Eve marries Mazikeen? What?\\  In //Lucifer//, Lilith makes a very brief appearance, but is mentioned a couple'a times. She is stated to be the mother of demons, who serve Lucifer in Hell, which includes Mazikeen.((:fn:>For those who don't know: Maz is Lucifer's sexy demon bartender/helper/friend.))\\  She and Lucifer were friends and Wikipedia states they were ex-lovers. My memory doesn't say this is wrong, but I don't remember that being explicitly stated. Ah, well, doesn't matter.\\  She had apparently given birth to the Lilim (demons) on her own. There is a question of how she managed to do this, but it doesn't really matter. Her demonic children were made into super-orphans who lack souls((:fn:>There are some...possible philosophical and metaphysical issues with that. I remember thinking back when I watched this show that the demons definitely have souls so, if they really didn't...well, shit. But that's not the point of this article or this section.)) to make them strong and independent like how she is strong and independent. Yes, Lilith is a feminist. And, just like every feminist, she's a deadbeat mom.\\  Adam also remains infatuated with her, apparently. Although we only have Eve's word on this (and she is in the process of cheating on Adam((:fn:>Sure she's no longer married to him because marriage ends once death occurs...but still. Kinda a shitty thing to do.))((:fn:>It's also kinda...icky in a meta sense, suggesting that the first woman is committing infidelity and a lesbian and so on. It could //easily// be turned into a way to point at women and go 'see, they're inherently immoral/prone to cheating because the first woman was like that!'. This kind of association is obviously bad and I generally lean towards 'avoid it please'.)) and previously cheated on him) so we can’t be sure that's true. If it is, that infatuation lasted a //very// long time.\\  This portrayal makes her look bad, which is kinda important if big G is supposed to be good, or at least neutral, but the show probably doesn't fully realize that she //is// bad? I mean, her position of ‘I must be strong and independent’ is a clear feminist ideal, but her children are all aforementioned super-orphans who lack souls. Plus she hasn't been in their life at all and then she fucked off to live alone for the rest of her life, never meeting any of them. If she is intended to be a pure bad girl, then this is fine...all I'm saying is, that it's thematically hilarious that the feminist is treated so poorly when the show generally leans [[lb:SocJus|progressive]].\\  Lilith's portrayal in Lucifer is probably the closest to the folklore in that she's a //bad// girl who befriended/banged Lucifer at some point, gave birth to all the demons and was the first woman made. Good on you //Lucifer//. Though...I //am// suspecting this is accidental. This //feels// like an attempt at a morally neutral or good Lilith that fumbled the execution big time. Refer to this if you want a hypocritical Lilith, but otherwise refer to //In Nomine// for a neutral portrayal.
 ==== World of Darkness ====