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lb:opinion:on.neo-elvish [2025-08-24 06:34:32] – [On Neo-Elvish] ninjasrlb:opinion:on.neo-elvish [2025-08-24 14:35:57] (current) – [Neo-Elvish] ninjasr
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 This opinion piece exists to put down my thoughts on the pursuit of the Neo-Elvish languages – mainly Quenya and Sindarin.\\ This opinion piece exists to put down my thoughts on the pursuit of the Neo-Elvish languages – mainly Quenya and Sindarin.\\
 I'm writing this because there are perspectives on Neo-Elvish that conflict and lead to what I'd call “stupid hate”. I'm writing this because there are perspectives on Neo-Elvish that conflict and lead to what I'd call “stupid hate”.
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 +I may improve this article over time, gradually.
 {{tag>legendarium opinion}} {{tag>legendarium opinion}}
 ===== Tolkien's Aim ===== ===== Tolkien's Aim =====
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 The arguments in favor are based around the desire to speak these languages. The arguments against are that they'd go against Tolkien's vision. The arguments in favor are based around the desire to speak these languages. The arguments against are that they'd go against Tolkien's vision.
  
-Carl F. Hostetter goes a step further and believes that Tolkien wouldn't like people's attempts to finish his languages for him. That's something I'm not sure about, as it seems a serious leap in logic.((:fn:>I also think it's a leap to suggest Tolkien didn't want to speak his own languages, which is something that Mr. Hostetter seems to sincerely believe. I don't know Tolkien as much, but I found it doubtful.))+Carl F. Hostetter goes a step further and believes that Tolkien wouldn't like people's attempts to finish his languages for him. That's something I'm not sure about, as it seems a serious leap in logic.((:fn:>I also think it's a leap to suggest Tolkien didn't want to speak his own languages, which is something that Mr. Hostetter seems to sincerely believe. I don't know Tolkien as much, but I found it doubtful. Hostetter's argument seems to be based around the fact Tolkien constantly changed the languages. But this //also// applies to Tolkien's stories. So, does that mean that Tolkien had no inclination to finish //The Silmarillion// either? I think that Occam's Razor suggests that Tolkien //did// have the intent to speak Quenya/Sindarin and never did because he just didn't finish the languages due to his own perfectionism – just like //The Silmarillion//.))
  
 Moving on, I think that the conflict here is kinda dumb, because it should be obvious to onlookers that Tolkien's motivations for making the languages and the Neo-Elvish effort are two different things. Though I'm not sure I can articulate exactly what I mean right now.\\ Moving on, I think that the conflict here is kinda dumb, because it should be obvious to onlookers that Tolkien's motivations for making the languages and the Neo-Elvish effort are two different things. Though I'm not sure I can articulate exactly what I mean right now.\\
 I //think// that I'm trying to get across that it's okay that fans and Tolkien aren't exactly aligned in their goals: one doesn't de-legitimize the other. In fact, I don't see how Neo-Elvish (if handled properly as I believe Eldamo is for example) would be disrespectful towards Tolkien. I //think// that I'm trying to get across that it's okay that fans and Tolkien aren't exactly aligned in their goals: one doesn't de-legitimize the other. In fact, I don't see how Neo-Elvish (if handled properly as I believe Eldamo is for example) would be disrespectful towards Tolkien.
 +===== Stupid Hate =====
 +I mentioned this in the opening of the article, so I'll elaborate what I mean. The people who are against Neo-Elvish tend to come off as if they just hate the enterprise completely. And it seems stupid to me because there's no actual conflict.
  
 +Though this could also be Academia's tendency to want to treat everything like a museum artifact, reacting with hostility to any attempt at making it lived-in.
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