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 I don't believe it's controversial to say that Tolkien created orcs and, prior to him, these didn't really exist. There are obviously orc-like creatures across mythology, but nothing you can point to as definitive.
-However! I don't actually think most modern orcs derive from Tolkien. I think they instead derive from the orcs of D&D and Warhammer. This is part of my overall belief that those two franchises are what established most modern fantasy tropes.
+However! I don't actually think most modern orcs derive from Tolkien. I think they instead derive from the orcs of D&D and Warhammer.((:fn:>I also realized that temperamentally, the [[1d6>Skaven]] are the more orc-like race in Warhammer, which is interesting. Interesting because this is a pattern that often repeats: you change something until it doesn't resemble the original thing, so you create a new thing to fill the vacuum left as a result of the changes.)) This is part of my overall belief that those two franchises are what established most modern fantasy tropes.
 ==== Modern Orc ====
 The modern orc appears larger than a human (most of the time) with green or brown skin, tusks and usually violent. They are technologically primitive and tribal.