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lb:socjus [2025-11-16 10:33:21] – [Post-Modernism does not Compromise] ninjasrlb:socjus [2026-02-17 17:10:44] (current) – [Other Post-Modern Ideologies] ninjasr
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 ====== SocJus ====== ====== SocJus ======
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 +<span stamp navy>Politics</span> <div callout caution>This article is //not// unbiased.</div>
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 My point is not that everything is bad, but that everything is dangerous, which is not exactly the same as bad. If everything is dangerous, then we always have something to do. So, my position leads not to apathy but to a hyper- and pessimistic activism. I think that the ethico-political choice we have to make every day is to determine which is the main danger.\\ My point is not that everything is bad, but that everything is dangerous, which is not exactly the same as bad. If everything is dangerous, then we always have something to do. So, my position leads not to apathy but to a hyper- and pessimistic activism. I think that the ethico-political choice we have to make every day is to determine which is the main danger.\\
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     * Why: SocJus is basically the same thing except that there isn't really a grand conspiracy. Their beliefs just happen to support ideas and strategies that line up with globalism as a concept.     * Why: SocJus is basically the same thing except that there isn't really a grand conspiracy. Their beliefs just happen to support ideas and strategies that line up with globalism as a concept.
   * Leftism   * Leftism
-    * Used by: Themselves, right-wingers, Whatifalthist, Ubersoy, Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad)+    * Used by: Themselves, right-wingers, [[lb:Whatifalthist]], Ubersoy, Carl Benjamin (Sargon of Akkad)
     * Why: SocJus deliberately positioned itself in opposition to conservatism (which is on the political right), which is itself completely antithetical to Post-Modern thought. As a result, they've become heavily associated with the political left.     * Why: SocJus deliberately positioned itself in opposition to conservatism (which is on the political right), which is itself completely antithetical to Post-Modern thought. As a result, they've become heavily associated with the political left.
   * Liberal   * Liberal
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 Hm, scratch the previous paragraph, I decided to list some of the tactics here with a one-sentence description just to give you an idea of ‘what's up’.((:fn:>‘Post-Modernists’ will be used to collectively refer to all the ideologies including SocJus.))\\ Hm, scratch the previous paragraph, I decided to list some of the tactics here with a one-sentence description just to give you an idea of ‘what's up’.((:fn:>‘Post-Modernists’ will be used to collectively refer to all the ideologies including SocJus.))\\
 They are listed in no particular order and some of them are related to each-other: They are listed in no particular order and some of them are related to each-other:
-  * **Dishonesty** – Post-Modernists are rarely honest about their intentions in discussions. Though this isn't always conscious. +  ? **Dishonesty** 
-  * **Projection** – Post-Modernists tend to project their beliefs/desires/actions onto their opponents or in situations where it does and doesn't make sense. This sometimes comes off as tone-deaf or stupid. +  : Post-Modernists are rarely honest about their intentions in discussions. Though this isn't always conscious. 
-  * **Sesquipedalianism** – Post-Modernists like to over-complicate their language to make themselves feel and appear intellectually superior to their opponents, even if they don't understand the meanings of those words. + 
-  * **Jargon/Redefinition** – Post-Modernists like to redefine words to make terminology more vague; or to make themselves appear/feel superior; or simply to explain internal ideological concepts to fellow adherents. +  ? **Projection** 
-  * **Rebranding** – Post-Modernists will go out of their way to change the terms they use to refer to each-other specifically to avoid accountability or hide from the general populace (which hates them). This is why the term ‘woke’ has become pejorative: people noticed that crazy people called themselves woke, so pattern-recognition took over. +  : Post-Modernists tend to project their beliefs/desires/actions onto their opponents or in situations where it does and doesn't make sense. This sometimes comes off as tone-deaf or stupid. 
-  * **“Conspiracy Theorist”** – Post-Modernists like to label their opponents as conspiracy theorists. + 
-  * **Insults** – Post-Modernists rely heavily on ad-hominem attacks in the form of childish insults to win arguments. +  ? **Sesquipedalianism** 
-  * **Normalization** – Post-Modernists are fine with compromising in the short-term as it contributes to their overall strategy of normalization. +  : Post-Modernists like to over-complicate their language to make themselves feel and appear intellectually superior to their opponents, even if they don't understand the meanings of those words. 
-  * **Shifting the Topic** – Post-Modernists, upon detecting they are losing an argument, will choose to change the topic of conversation to avoid losing. Taking the phrase “missing the forest for the trees”: they are making you focus on the trees so you miss the forest. + 
-  * **Misrepresentation** – Either intentionally or unintentionally (due to stupidity), Post-Modernists will misrepresent their opponents and their arguments. This is just an ad-hominem. +  ? **Jargon/Redefinition** 
-  * **Isolation** – Post-Modernists like to isolate and block opposing voices for the sake of maintaining ideological purity. This has the intentional effect of increasing radicalization and the unintentional effect of creating echo chambers which warp perception of reality. +  : Post-Modernists like to redefine words to make terminology more vague; or to make themselves appear/feel superior; or simply to explain internal ideological concepts to fellow adherents. 
-  * **Crybullying** – Post-Modernists like to goad their opponents into attacking them and then crying to authority to make it seem like they're the victims. This is both a conscious and subconscious tactic. + 
-  * **Victim Mentality** – Post-Modernists will eternally portray themselves as victims for the sake of maintaining moral authority and superiority (within their view). The idea that a victim might be deserving of their position is directly contradictory to their worldview.+  ? **Rebranding** 
 +  : Post-Modernists will go out of their way to change the terms they use to refer to each-other specifically to avoid accountability or hide from the general populace (which hates them). This is why the term ‘woke’ has become pejorative: people noticed that crazy people called themselves woke, so pattern-recognition took over. 
 + 
 +  ? **“Conspiracy Theorist”** 
 +  : Post-Modernists like to label their opponents as conspiracy theorists. 
 + 
 +  ? **Insults** 
 +  : Post-Modernists rely heavily on ad-hominem attacks in the form of childish insults to win arguments. 
 + 
 +  ? **Normalization** 
 +  : Post-Modernists are fine with compromising in the short-term as it contributes to their overall strategy of normalization. 
 + 
 +  ? **Shifting the Topic** 
 +  : Post-Modernists, upon detecting they are losing an argument, will choose to change the topic of conversation to avoid losing. Taking the phrase “missing the forest for the trees”: they are making you focus on the trees so you miss the forest. 
 + 
 +  ? **Misrepresentation** 
 +  : Either intentionally or unintentionally (due to stupidity), Post-Modernists will misrepresent their opponents and their arguments. This is just an ad-hominem. 
 + 
 +  ? **Isolation** 
 +  : Post-Modernists like to isolate and block opposing voices for the sake of maintaining ideological purity. This has the intentional effect of increasing radicalization and the unintentional effect of creating echo chambers which warp perception of reality. 
 + 
 +  ? **Crybullying** 
 +  : Post-Modernists like to goad their opponents into attacking them and then crying to authority to make it seem like they're the victims. This is both a conscious and subconscious tactic. 
 + 
 +  ? **Victim Mentality** 
 +  : Post-Modernists will eternally portray themselves as victims for the sake of maintaining moral authority and superiority (within their view). The idea that a victim might be deserving of their position is directly contradictory to their worldview.
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 ==== A very brief history ==== ==== A very brief history ====
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 Let's use an example to illustrate what I mean: Let's use an example to illustrate what I mean:
-> Exercise is white supremacy.\\+<div center-text> 
 +<span denote>Exercise is white supremacy.</span> 
 +</div>
 How any reasonable person can come to this conclusion is difficult to understand...until you break it down. Believe it or not, this //is// a rational position – in the sense that it can be reached thru rational thought, not that it is reasonable.\\ How any reasonable person can come to this conclusion is difficult to understand...until you break it down. Believe it or not, this //is// a rational position – in the sense that it can be reached thru rational thought, not that it is reasonable.\\
 This position is gained via the alliance between Fat Studies and CRT. Fat Studies believes that exercise is a tool of oppression against them. That's step 1. But what's step 2? Statistically, obesity is more prevalent among blacks. CRT, via its alliance with Fat Studies, has been convinced that this //isn't// a crippling fact and, in fact, obesity and being fat is a core part of ‘Black Culture’. That's step 2.\\ This position is gained via the alliance between Fat Studies and CRT. Fat Studies believes that exercise is a tool of oppression against them. That's step 1. But what's step 2? Statistically, obesity is more prevalent among blacks. CRT, via its alliance with Fat Studies, has been convinced that this //isn't// a crippling fact and, in fact, obesity and being fat is a core part of ‘Black Culture’. That's step 2.\\
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 Post-Modernists will be intentionally ambiguous about the meanings of terms to avoid contradictions. Basically, they're treating individual terms like Schrödinger's cat: a term has both and neither meanings simultaneously.\\ Post-Modernists will be intentionally ambiguous about the meanings of terms to avoid contradictions. Basically, they're treating individual terms like Schrödinger's cat: a term has both and neither meanings simultaneously.\\
-This is a very childish yet undeniably effective method of avoiding being hypocritical. They just have to avoid making it clear //what// certain words men and this is why they will tend to get nervous/evasive/aggressive if any attempt at clarification is made – what is a woman?+This is a very childish yet undeniably effective method of avoiding being hypocritical. They just have to avoid making it clear //what// certain words mean and this is why they will tend to get nervous/evasive/aggressive if any attempt at clarification is made – what is a woman?
  
 This is also why pointing out the contradiction doesn't do anything: in their minds, there is no contradiction, because the term has both meanings at once. This is also why, once you clearly define a term, they will start vigorously denying the contradictions. This is also why pointing out the contradiction doesn't do anything: in their minds, there is no contradiction, because the term has both meanings at once. This is also why, once you clearly define a term, they will start vigorously denying the contradictions.
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 Half-Hearted typically aren't as tuned-in to the ideology as the Ideologically Pure, so they often find themselves running afoul of the eternal purity test. Half-Hearted typically aren't as tuned-in to the ideology as the Ideologically Pure, so they often find themselves running afoul of the eternal purity test.
  
-Basically, anyone who says “I was woke once but I'm not ever since x” then they're almost certainly a former Half-Hearted.+Basically, anyone who says <q>“I was woke once but I'm not ever since x”</q> then they're almost certainly a former Half-Hearted.
  
 These differentiate themselves further by having the capacity to see their own hypocritical beliefs. Though their solution to avoiding being hypocritical is the freeze and voluntary shutdown. These differentiate themselves further by having the capacity to see their own hypocritical beliefs. Though their solution to avoiding being hypocritical is the freeze and voluntary shutdown.
  
-A good (and public) example of a Half-Hearted is Red from [[youu>OverlySarcasticProductions|Overly Sarcastic Productions]]. In her [[you>j-yJDbC_a2c|Gilgamesh video]] there's a frame with a ranty text-wall about the issue of ‘Finders Keepers’((:fn:>‘Finders Keepers’ is the idea that if you discover an artifact during an archeological dig, you basically ‘own’ it. Post-Colonial thought opposes this on the basis that this is theft and, consequently, the former colonial powers should return the artifacts.)) and ISIS. To summarize the rant: Red was basically trying to reconcile Finders Keepers being bad with the fact many artifacts from Mesopotamia ended up being saved from destruction at the hands of ISIS because they weren't in the region. This text wall ends with a dramatic “aaaaaaaAAAAAAA”. In real terms, this just means that she voluntarily chose to stop thinking about it because that line of thinking naturally leads to the conclusion that Finders Keepers can’t be bad in all situations.\\+A good (and public) example of a Half-Hearted is Red from [[youu>OverlySarcasticProductions|Overly Sarcastic Productions]]. In her [[you>j-yJDbC_a2c|Gilgamesh video]] there's a frame with a ranty text-wall about the issue of ‘Finders Keepers’((:fn:>‘Finders Keepers’ is the idea that if you discover an artifact during an archeological dig, you basically ‘own’ it. Post-Colonial thought opposes this on the basis that this is theft and, consequently, the former colonial powers should return the artifacts.)) and ISIS. To summarize the rant: Red was basically trying to reconcile Finders Keepers being bad with the fact many artifacts from Mesopotamia ended up being saved from destruction at the hands of ISIS because they weren't in the region. This text wall ends with a dramatic <q>“aaaaaaaAAAAAAA”</q>. In real terms, this just means that she voluntarily chose to stop thinking about it because that line of thinking naturally leads to the conclusion that Finders Keepers can’t be bad in all situations.\\
 As a result, the Post-Colonial position that it's //always// bad breaks down. As a result, the Post-Colonial position that it's //always// bad breaks down.
  
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 Escapism (which is what ignoring reality is) is obviously appealing to everyone – I mean, who //doesn't// want to play as a dashing knight who saves the day in a game, right? – but with the added bonus of being a victim who is being treated unfairly by the world, with the means of getting back at the ones who did this to you? It's downright intoxicating. Escapism (which is what ignoring reality is) is obviously appealing to everyone – I mean, who //doesn't// want to play as a dashing knight who saves the day in a game, right? – but with the added bonus of being a victim who is being treated unfairly by the world, with the means of getting back at the ones who did this to you? It's downright intoxicating.
  
-Post-Modernism and its descendant ideologies basically fully enable being selfish to the highest degree while making oneself feel //extremely// good in the process. You feel like a warrior constantly battling against evil and all you really have to do is say things like “actually, calling me ‘he’ is transphobic because I identify as demisexual, so please call me ‘xer’. Check your privilege and stop being such a bigot”.+Post-Modernism and its descendant ideologies basically fully enable being selfish to the highest degree while making oneself feel //extremely// good in the process. You feel like a warrior constantly battling against evil and all you really have to do is say things like <q>“actually, calling me ‘he’ is transphobic because I identify as demisexual, so please call me ‘xer’. Check your privilege and stop being such a bigot”</q>.
  
 What furthers this perspective is the sensitivity to language. In their minds, literally any mistake, misunderstanding or banal comment is a targeted attack on their very being. This can give the impression that they really //are// being constantly attacked from every angle.\\ What furthers this perspective is the sensitivity to language. In their minds, literally any mistake, misunderstanding or banal comment is a targeted attack on their very being. This can give the impression that they really //are// being constantly attacked from every angle.\\
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 By this point, if you don't agree with me...I //failed//. But, if you do, great! By this point, if you don't agree with me...I //failed//. But, if you do, great!
 ===== Other Post-Modern Ideologies ===== ===== Other Post-Modern Ideologies =====
 +<figure>
 +<blockquote>
 +I used to think you're obsessed over post-modernists, eventually I thought you've got a point, now I can't even argue, whatever you call them, post-modernists, retards, manipulated drones, these people should be labeled as disabled and have their voting rights taken away.
 +</blockquote>
 +<figcaption>A friend who preferred to stay anonymous.</figcaption>
 +</figure>
 These are other Post-Modern ideologies that I, or others, have identified. These are not as prominent as the ‘Big 5’, but many do still flirt with them and, in some cases, are basically full-fledged members of SocJus. These are other Post-Modern ideologies that I, or others, have identified. These are not as prominent as the ‘Big 5’, but many do still flirt with them and, in some cases, are basically full-fledged members of SocJus.
  
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 This connection with Post-Modernism/SocJus is implicitly understood by many people, though they usually don't reach the conclusion that MPC is a distinct ideology that doesn't get along with SocJus. This connection with Post-Modernism/SocJus is implicitly understood by many people, though they usually don't reach the conclusion that MPC is a distinct ideology that doesn't get along with SocJus.
 ==== Free & Open-Source Software Movements ==== ==== Free & Open-Source Software Movements ====
-When I told a friend that I started to think Richard Stallman was a Post-Modernist, he responded with “I don't even know what is or isn't Post-Modernist anymore” which I think perfectly encapsulates Post-Modernism.+When I told a friend that I started to think Richard Stallman was a Post-Modernist, he responded with <q>“I don't even know what is or isn't Post-Modernist anymore”</q> which I think perfectly encapsulates Post-Modernism.
  
 Anyways: yes, I'm being serious. Not only am I being serious, but this one might flirt with intersectionality more often than Veganism or Environmentalism. Anyways: yes, I'm being serious. Not only am I being serious, but this one might flirt with intersectionality more often than Veganism or Environmentalism.
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 A very small list of corporations they're fine with would be IBM, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems (when they still existed), Apple, Oracle and many more I can’t think of. A lot of these are at times much much worse than Microsoft, yet they don't care: because //Microsoft is the enemy//, not //Oracle//. A very small list of corporations they're fine with would be IBM, Red Hat, Sun Microsystems (when they still existed), Apple, Oracle and many more I can’t think of. A lot of these are at times much much worse than Microsoft, yet they don't care: because //Microsoft is the enemy//, not //Oracle//.
  
-And like any other Post-Modern ideology, they have the same blindspots. They don't realize that “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” is a far better description of GNU and Linux's approach to competition than it does Microsoft's.\\+And like any other Post-Modern ideology, they have the same blindspots. They don't realize that “**Embrace, Extend, Extinguish**” is a far better description of GNU and Linux's approach to competition than it does Microsoft's.\\
 The GNU Project was explicitly founded to clone proprietary software, then promote their use over proprietary software with the explicit goal of becoming the standard to kill proprietary software. How this is seen as ethical is beyond me, but Post-Modernists are not exactly rational thinkers.\\ The GNU Project was explicitly founded to clone proprietary software, then promote their use over proprietary software with the explicit goal of becoming the standard to kill proprietary software. How this is seen as ethical is beyond me, but Post-Modernists are not exactly rational thinkers.\\
 Linux has a similar approach, though it could be argued it's accidental rather than intentional like in the case of the GNU. Linux has a similar approach, though it could be argued it's accidental rather than intentional like in the case of the GNU.
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 But what //does// matter is the //reason// you're pirating and, in the second example, it's explicitly to damage a corporation. But what //does// matter is the //reason// you're pirating and, in the second example, it's explicitly to damage a corporation.
  
-I mean, just take the phrase they love repeating so much: “It's always moral to pirate X” (Nintendo/Adobe/Other...)\\+I mean, just take the phrase they love repeating so much: <q>“It's always moral to pirate X”</q> (Nintendo/Adobe/Other...)\\
 It's a very Post-Modern way of thinking basically. It's a very Post-Modern way of thinking basically.
  
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 One of the more insidious representatives of Post-Modern Piracy – though one unrelated to Reddit, interestingly enough – is ThePirateBay.\\ One of the more insidious representatives of Post-Modern Piracy – though one unrelated to Reddit, interestingly enough – is ThePirateBay.\\
 ThePirateBay is responsible for birthing the Swedish Pirate Party, from which all the other European Pirate Parties came. And //all// of those parties are SocJus aligned, just that they're a little crazier due to being technocratic.\\ ThePirateBay is responsible for birthing the Swedish Pirate Party, from which all the other European Pirate Parties came. And //all// of those parties are SocJus aligned, just that they're a little crazier due to being technocratic.\\
-ThePirateBay is itself a big rabbit-hole of “what the Hell’ if you bother to look into it...but just keep in mind that the statement “they flirt with Post-Modernism” isn't even the tip of the iceberg. If you're curious, look into Piratbyrån, Telecomix and Kopimi. All of those //really// explain what I mean.+ThePirateBay is itself a big rabbit-hole of <q>“what the Hell”</q> if you bother to look into it...but just keep in mind that the statement “they flirt with Post-Modernism” isn't even the tip of the iceberg. If you're curious, look into Piratbyrån, Telecomix and Kopimi. All of those //really// explain what I mean.
  
 Ironically, one of the other big representatives of this particular ideology is probably Mutahar,((:fn:>I had forgotten about him, but **Modern Vintage Gamer** is also a major representative of this ideology. In fact, I think I first identified it with him.)) who is otherwise anti-SocJus. It's just really ironic that he doesn't realize his ideology is Post-Modern. And he also demonstrates Post-Modern-style hypocrisy like the situation surrounding the Switch 2. Ironically, one of the other big representatives of this particular ideology is probably Mutahar,((:fn:>I had forgotten about him, but **Modern Vintage Gamer** is also a major representative of this ideology. In fact, I think I first identified it with him.)) who is otherwise anti-SocJus. It's just really ironic that he doesn't realize his ideology is Post-Modern. And he also demonstrates Post-Modern-style hypocrisy like the situation surrounding the Switch 2.
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 But since they believe with 100% certainty that men and women //are// different...a lot of those older roles are starting to make some sense to them. But since they believe with 100% certainty that men and women //are// different...a lot of those older roles are starting to make some sense to them.
  
-So while a regular SocJus Feminist Theorist might see a prostitute nd go “Slaaaay, Queen ♥~” a TERF might look at the same prostitute with disgust. Though take this with a grain of salt, since I'm not 100% sure, only about 93%.\\+So while a regular SocJus Feminist Theorist might see a prostitute and go <q>“Slaaaay, Queen ♥~”</q> a TERF might look at the same prostitute with disgust. Though take this with a grain of salt, since I'm not 100% sure, only about 93%.\\
 Though it //is// funny to think about. Though it //is// funny to think about.
  
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 As far as I know, the following ideas are tied to SocJus/Post-Modern thought in storytelling: As far as I know, the following ideas are tied to SocJus/Post-Modern thought in storytelling:
   * [[lb:damsel.in.distress]] being universally perceived as negative.   * [[lb:damsel.in.distress]] being universally perceived as negative.
 +  * [[lb:Death of the Author]] probably didn't originate with Post-Modernism, but is dominant among video essayists, reviewers and whatnot...who are all Post-Modernists.
   * [[lb:manic pixie dream girl|Manic Pixie Dream Girl]]. I believe the term originated with them and is considered universally negative.   * [[lb:manic pixie dream girl|Manic Pixie Dream Girl]]. I believe the term originated with them and is considered universally negative.
   * [[lb:ludo-narrative.dissonance]]: coined by Games Journalists, probably the pre-eminent example of being ideologically compromised.   * [[lb:ludo-narrative.dissonance]]: coined by Games Journalists, probably the pre-eminent example of being ideologically compromised.
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   * This section will mostly remain empty for now, because I don't know what to put here besides a few small disconnected notes.   * This section will mostly remain empty for now, because I don't know what to put here besides a few small disconnected notes.
   * When trolling SocJus, an effective counter-tactic is pretending to be a member of one of their constituent ideologies. You can then activate a purity test which will leave them bewildered. Though I don't think of this as a super legitimate long-term tactic – mostly just for harmless fun   * When trolling SocJus, an effective counter-tactic is pretending to be a member of one of their constituent ideologies. You can then activate a purity test which will leave them bewildered. Though I don't think of this as a super legitimate long-term tactic – mostly just for harmless fun
-    * This can take the form of them arguing that “x doesn't matter” and you responding with “how dare you suggest this doesn't matter, it's a case of trans rights, bigot”. This is something I actually did once. +    * This can take the form of them arguing that <q>“x doesn't matter”</q> and you responding with <q>“how dare you suggest this doesn't matter, it's a case of trans rights, bigot”</q>. This is something I actually did once. 
-    * Though this could be exploited to maximized in-fighting, it would be too much work, I think.+    * Though this could be exploited to maximize in-fighting, it would be too much work, I think.
   * Many Post-Modern ideologies are //very// transparent about what they actually believe despite them being wired to lie all the time. The main reason it doesn't seem to be this way is because they're lying for the sake of PR. But if they think you're one of them...they will reveal //a lot// about what they //actually// think.   * Many Post-Modern ideologies are //very// transparent about what they actually believe despite them being wired to lie all the time. The main reason it doesn't seem to be this way is because they're lying for the sake of PR. But if they think you're one of them...they will reveal //a lot// about what they //actually// think.
   * There //is// one weird effect of post-modernism in that, due to how vague and subjective it is, it basically forces being clear. Plus it forces making clear definitions. This is advantageous in the realm of [[lb:storytelling theory]] for example.   * There //is// one weird effect of post-modernism in that, due to how vague and subjective it is, it basically forces being clear. Plus it forces making clear definitions. This is advantageous in the realm of [[lb:storytelling theory]] for example.
     * Actually, I started writing all that out due to the realization that //only// Post-Modern thought seems to be represented in storytelling.     * Actually, I started writing all that out due to the realization that //only// Post-Modern thought seems to be represented in storytelling.
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