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 ====== J.R.R. Tolkien ======
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 **John Ronald Reuel Tolkien** was a philologist who worked at the University of Leeds and the University of Oxford...and he was also a writer. Though you're likely aware of that last bit.\\
 Following his death, his son Christopher Tolkien started editing and releasing his unfinished writings.
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 Writing was essentially his hobby.\\
 This is something I'm noting specifically because of comparisons to Mr. Martin.((:fn:>The author of the Song of Ice & Fire books. Some people compare Tolkien to Martin as a means of excusing Martin's failure to finish his story...but when you consider that Martin's full-time job is writing, while Tolkien's was not...and the books that he //did// release //were// finished...yeah, the comparison actually makes Martin look much worse.))
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 ===== Personal Evaluation =====
 I do really admire Tolkien, though I must admit that until fairly recently I didn't have much personal experience with his writings. However...that's not stopping me.
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 I think that while his world is very intricate and detailed...whether it's an example of good worldbuilding or not is ambiguous. For example: most of his languages don't really exist in any ‘complete’ form. Though it's like this because Tolkien didn't create them with the intent of use: they were made to satisfy his aesthetic and creative tastes.\\
 It's kinda difficult to figure out how to explain what I'm thinking here, but I think what I mean is that what's there is generally of a high quality...but there's a lot missing. A lot of what's missing can be inferred or reconstructed, but then some stuff just can’t.\\
-There are also possible issues with things like the timeline, but I'll leave that for the [[playground:Legendarium]]'s article.
+There are also possible issues with things like the timeline, but I'll leave that for the [[lb:legendarium|Legendarium]]’s article.
 I believe that Tolkien's fatal flaw was perfectionism. Basically, instead of just writing something, releasing it and moving on...he kept rewriting the same things over and over again, with the intent of making it perfect. This was the case with //The Lord of The Rings// which went thru multiple drafts before it was actually released...and was especially true of //The Silmarillion// which went thru many more of them.\\
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 ===== Trivilinks =====
   * [[https://www.tolkienestate.com/|Tolkien Estate's Website]]
+  * Something else to keep in mind that the method Tolkien apparently used to create languages differs from the method that currently dominates artistic conlanging (represented by //The Language Construction Kit// for example). Though I don't understand exactly //what// this method is, I //may// attempt to describe it if I ever get around to figuring it out.
+    * Carl F. Hostetter explains this in //“Elvish as She Is Spoke”//,((:fn:>I'll add a link to it later.)) but it's essentially just the creation of a //historical grammar//. Though my knowledge of linguistics is //very// poor because I don't know what that is.
+    * As far as I understand it, what Tolkien was doing was using a method to describe a //real// language just that he was using it to //make// a language. And this method just so happens to be one where verbs and syntax are at the //end//. If you're familiar with Tolkien, you'll probably feel //some// kind of pain because now you //know//.
+      * I'm saying this because it contrasts with the <abbr "Language Construction Kit">LCK</abbr> method(s) that dominate now. Those methods are concerned with producing a language ex-nihilo using methods explicitly for language construction, whilst Tolkien was using a method for language //description//.
+  * I recently read [[https://dc.swosu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2566&context=mythlore|this]] which I will incorporate somewhat into this article...because I agree with the conclusion here, somewhat and I think I can put it into my own words.