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lb:wnotes:vampires [2025-09-15 14:52:47] – ↷ Page name changed from lb:wnotes:uf.vampires to lb:wnotes:vampires ninjasrlb:wnotes:vampires [2025-09-15 19:41:46] (current) – [Mesopotamia & Egypt] ninjasr
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 I find this origin unlikely due to the fact vampires need to drink blood from humans. Prior to civilization, humans tended to live in nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes which weren't particularly large...meaning the number of vampires that could run around is somewhat limited.\\ I find this origin unlikely due to the fact vampires need to drink blood from humans. Prior to civilization, humans tended to live in nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes which weren't particularly large...meaning the number of vampires that could run around is somewhat limited.\\
-Note that //[[lb:wod|Vampire: the Masquerade]]// assumes a ratio of 1 vampire per 100k humans.((:ref:>[[https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/44270/is-there-a-vampire-population-ratio-stated-in-the-books|Is there a vampire/population ratio stated in the books?]]))((:fn:>As a side-note, I find this ratio to be dubious and realistically would put it much higher globally and in urban areas.)) Assuming the global population was 1-10 million prior to civilization,((:fn:>Which is an estimate I'm getting from [[wp>Estimates_of_historical_world_population|Wikipedia]], though I'll look for other sources at some point.)) the total vampire population would have been 10 or 100. And the other consideration is population density. Vampires would have to wander around to hunt for tiny tribes in a vast area of land.\\+Note that //[[lb:wod|Vampire: the Masquerade]]// assumes a ratio of 1 vampire per 100k humans.((:ref:>[[https://rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/44270/is-there-a-vampire-population-ratio-stated-in-the-books|Is there a vampire/population ratio stated in the books?]]))((:fn:>As a side-note, I find this ratio to be dubious. I think that, realistically, there would be more vampires globally and especially in urban areas.)) Assuming the global population was 1-10 million prior to civilization,((:fn:>Which is an estimate I'm getting from [[wp>Estimates_of_historical_world_population|Wikipedia]], though I'll look for other sources at some point.)) the total vampire population would have been 10 or 100. And the other consideration is population density. Vampires would have to wander around to hunt for tiny tribes in a vast area of land.\\
 All of this suggests that actually surviving is unlikely, though I think it //could// be justified by elaborating on how vampires actually work. For example, maybe vampires don't actually need to drink blood regularly, or only need to drink it in specific circumstances. All of this suggests that actually surviving is unlikely, though I think it //could// be justified by elaborating on how vampires actually work. For example, maybe vampires don't actually need to drink blood regularly, or only need to drink it in specific circumstances.
 === Bronze Age === === Bronze Age ===
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 While I think Mesopotamia is the better origin point, Egypt is a close second. This is because neither is the clear ‘winner’ here.\\ While I think Mesopotamia is the better origin point, Egypt is a close second. This is because neither is the clear ‘winner’ here.\\
-Mesopotamia is much older than Egypt (and the earliest civilizations were reportedly quite fragile((:ref:debt)) meaning you could tie them to vampires). But Mesopotamia was a bunch of rival city-states while Egypt was centralized. Egypt also had a higher population density.\\+Mesopotamia is much older than Egypt (and the earliest civilizations were reportedly quite fragile((:ref:atgrain)) meaning you could tie them to vampires). But Mesopotamia was a bunch of rival city-states while Egypt was centralized. Egypt also had a higher population density.\\
 Centralization makes it easier to move around without being spotted.\\ Centralization makes it easier to move around without being spotted.\\
  
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 First of all, they would 100% not support slavery of fellow vampires for the simple reason that they know it's economic suicide in the long-run. Thus it's inherently destabilizing.\\ First of all, they would 100% not support slavery of fellow vampires for the simple reason that they know it's economic suicide in the long-run. Thus it's inherently destabilizing.\\
-Slavery of humans though? That's a bit more ambiguous, though I'd lean towards them generally supporting it. They would 93% support the South in the American Civil War((:fn:Assuming they aren't so racist that they wouldn't drink the blood of blacks, but that's unlikely because food is food. At the same time...it's likely they wouldn't support sucking off blacks.)). But in all other cases there would be some ambiguity involved.\\+Slavery of humans though? That's a bit more ambiguous, though I'd lean towards them generally supporting it. They would 93% support the South in the American Civil War.((:fn:>Assuming they aren't so racist that they wouldn't drink the blood of blacks, but that's unlikely because food is food. At the same time...it's likely they wouldn't support sucking off blacks.)) But in all other cases there would be some ambiguity involved.\\
 This is mostly down to the fact that views on slavery vary a lot across history...and, well, the observable negative effects of slavery for the economy and societal stability. This is mostly down to the fact that views on slavery vary a lot across history...and, well, the observable negative effects of slavery for the economy and societal stability.
 ==== Speciation? ==== ==== Speciation? ====
-Thanks to the influence of //Masquerade// and //Requiem// has popularize the idea that, instead of //one// type of vampire running around, there are //multiple// types of vampires running around.+Thanks to the influence of //Masquerade// and //Requiem//, they have popularized the idea that, instead of //one// type of vampire running around, there are //multiple// types of vampires running around.
  
 I'm not gonna expand on this too much – because everything else written on this article is just a remix of what I've already written or thought about prior and I only started thinking about this //now//...\\ I'm not gonna expand on this too much – because everything else written on this article is just a remix of what I've already written or thought about prior and I only started thinking about this //now//...\\
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 I think this can only be justified with magic, the vampires being alive or the vampires being in a weird semi-alive semi-dead state (as is implied with the //Requiem// vampires)...or the vampires already starting as separate species with similar traits. I think this can only be justified with magic, the vampires being alive or the vampires being in a weird semi-alive semi-dead state (as is implied with the //Requiem// vampires)...or the vampires already starting as separate species with similar traits.
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 +One of the big considerations is numbers...assuming the above ratio of 1 vampire per 100k humans...there would be 80,000 vampires globally nowadays. The more species there are, the less believable it'll become. So this requires a lot of care.
 ===== Miscellaneous ===== ===== Miscellaneous =====
 ==== Moonbathing ==== ==== Moonbathing ====
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