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lb:wnotes:vampires [2026-03-07 10:39:18] – [Weaknesses] ninjasrlb:wnotes:vampires [2026-04-02 02:03:20] (current) – [Other Views] ninjasr
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 These are Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Indus Valley and China. These are Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Indus Valley and China.
  
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 == Mesopotamia & Egypt == == Mesopotamia & Egypt ==
 I find Mesopotamia and Egypt to be the most likely origin points as these are two of the oldest civilizations in the world. I also favor these origin points over all others. I find Mesopotamia and Egypt to be the most likely origin points as these are two of the oldest civilizations in the world. I also favor these origin points over all others.
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 Assuming vampires //do// start here, it can be assumed that they'd carry //things// from Mesopotamia and Egypt into the modern day. Maybe a preference for Egyptian aesthetics, or the use of odd terms descended from Akkadian. It could be anything, really. Though religious beliefs are the most likely – like how the Egyptians thought of the soul, for example. Assuming vampires //do// start here, it can be assumed that they'd carry //things// from Mesopotamia and Egypt into the modern day. Maybe a preference for Egyptian aesthetics, or the use of odd terms descended from Akkadian. It could be anything, really. Though religious beliefs are the most likely – like how the Egyptians thought of the soul, for example.
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 == Indus Valley & China == == Indus Valley & China ==
 The Indus Valley Civilization was one of the //other// early civilizations, so I think they should be mentioned. I find this origin less likely because I generally get the impression that it was more isolated than Mesopotamia and Egypt were. This makes the spread outward less likely to me. The Indus Valley Civilization was one of the //other// early civilizations, so I think they should be mentioned. I find this origin less likely because I generally get the impression that it was more isolated than Mesopotamia and Egypt were. This makes the spread outward less likely to me.
  
 China is probably in the same ballpark. I think that the population would have been high enough to support vampires, but it was isolated enough that they wouldn't have spread much afterwards. China is probably in the same ballpark. I think that the population would have been high enough to support vampires, but it was isolated enough that they wouldn't have spread much afterwards.
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 == Other == == Other ==
 Other possibilities include Crete, Cyprus, Mycenaean Greece and the Americas. I think you could justify vampires appearing in all these locations, though the Mediterranean civilizations would be functionally quite similar to Egypt or Mesopotamia...as I think vampires would then quickly spread to those anyway, where they'd become dominant. Other possibilities include Crete, Cyprus, Mycenaean Greece and the Americas. I think you could justify vampires appearing in all these locations, though the Mediterranean civilizations would be functionally quite similar to Egypt or Mesopotamia...as I think vampires would then quickly spread to those anyway, where they'd become dominant.
  
 The Americas are the ultra exception here in that you could justify vampires (or a vampire-like species) appearing, but you would have difficulty justifying a spread from the Americas to the rest of the world. The Americas are the ultra exception here in that you could justify vampires (or a vampire-like species) appearing, but you would have difficulty justifying a spread from the Americas to the rest of the world.
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 === Classical Era === === Classical Era ===
 This refers to a post Bronze Age origin of the vampires. This one is favored by...//[[lb:cod|Vampire: the Requiem]]//, again. //Requiem// puts a lot of emphasis on Rome and ties the origin of the Masquerade to Rome. Though outside of that, I won't mention it further. This refers to a post Bronze Age origin of the vampires. This one is favored by...//[[lb:cod|Vampire: the Requiem]]//, again. //Requiem// puts a lot of emphasis on Rome and ties the origin of the Masquerade to Rome. Though outside of that, I won't mention it further.
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 What this means is that republics, democracies and other modern(ish) political systems will be virtually non-existent, while very hierarchical systems like monarchies, aristocracies and theocracies would be dominant.\\ What this means is that republics, democracies and other modern(ish) political systems will be virtually non-existent, while very hierarchical systems like monarchies, aristocracies and theocracies would be dominant.\\
 Now, to be clear, ‘stability’ isn't the only deciding factor here. The others are age, influence from the old, historical awareness and burn-out. So let's go at them one by one. Now, to be clear, ‘stability’ isn't the only deciding factor here. The others are age, influence from the old, historical awareness and burn-out. So let's go at them one by one.
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 == Age == == Age ==
 The long ages of vampires would be the biggest reason they'd prioritize these systems: they are very old. And what was considered progressive in the past would probably be considered conservative or reactionary in the present.\\ The long ages of vampires would be the biggest reason they'd prioritize these systems: they are very old. And what was considered progressive in the past would probably be considered conservative or reactionary in the present.\\
 And, instead of assuming they'd become //more// progressive over time, it's more likely they'd become //less// progressive and //more conservative//. This is down to the fact they would literally see the world they grew up in disappear as time goes on, which would make them very nostalgic for the <q>“good old days”</q>...at best. At worst, they'd think that the world ended. And, instead of assuming they'd become //more// progressive over time, it's more likely they'd become //less// progressive and //more conservative//. This is down to the fact they would literally see the world they grew up in disappear as time goes on, which would make them very nostalgic for the <q>“good old days”</q>...at best. At worst, they'd think that the world ended.
  
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 == Influence == == Influence ==
 Now that I've established that old vampires are likely to be very conservative (and become more so as time goes on)...well, now comes their influence thruout society. Now that I've established that old vampires are likely to be very conservative (and become more so as time goes on)...well, now comes their influence thruout society.
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 Besides passive influence, there could be (and probably would be) active influence in the form of education. I don't see why vampire cities wouldn't have teacher dedicated to helping new vampires, so they'd probably have them.\\ Besides passive influence, there could be (and probably would be) active influence in the form of education. I don't see why vampire cities wouldn't have teacher dedicated to helping new vampires, so they'd probably have them.\\
 And...well...just have these teachers spread the dominant political views among the new ones. Though this could //still// be unintentional, assuming that the most qualified vampire for the position is simply old. And...well...just have these teachers spread the dominant political views among the new ones. Though this could //still// be unintentional, assuming that the most qualified vampire for the position is simply old.
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 == Historical Awareness == == Historical Awareness ==
 This is the biggest reason that I believe vampires would be politically conservative. This is the biggest reason that I believe vampires would be politically conservative.
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 Arguing with an old vampire would be annoying at best and frustrating at worst, because they could pull out literally every historical counter-example that exists. They can point out that for most of history, most states were monarchies and monarchies, on average, last longer than democracies and so on...and so forth... Arguing with an old vampire would be annoying at best and frustrating at worst, because they could pull out literally every historical counter-example that exists. They can point out that for most of history, most states were monarchies and monarchies, on average, last longer than democracies and so on...and so forth...
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 == Burn-Out == == Burn-Out ==
 The final important point to bring up here is the concept of burn-out. Basically, vampires that are ‘jittery’ and prone to mischief will not survive for long because they'll end up burning out. The final important point to bring up here is the concept of burn-out. Basically, vampires that are ‘jittery’ and prone to mischief will not survive for long because they'll end up burning out.
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 This is because in a cycle of backstabbing you eventually run out of people to backstab. Because you've either been backstabbed yourself, or you're the last person left.\\ This is because in a cycle of backstabbing you eventually run out of people to backstab. Because you've either been backstabbed yourself, or you're the last person left.\\
 Any unstable vampiric states that exist would eventually reach the state of equilibrium that is stability...so, even if they don't start out as highly hierarchical, they'll probably end up there...because <q>//“it just works™”//</q>. Any unstable vampiric states that exist would eventually reach the state of equilibrium that is stability...so, even if they don't start out as highly hierarchical, they'll probably end up there...because <q>//“it just works™”//</q>.
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 ==== Economics ==== ==== Economics ====
 The dominant economic system among vampire society would doubtless be patronage. The dominant economic system among vampire society would doubtless be patronage.
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 ==== Other Views ==== ==== Other Views ====
 This is to include all the //other// views that vampires are likely to have. So, let's not delay and get into it. This is to include all the //other// views that vampires are likely to have. So, let's not delay and get into it.
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 === Racism === === Racism ===
 I think there's a very high chance that vampires are racist. Though probably not in the way that you'd expect. I think there's a very high chance that vampires are racist. Though probably not in the way that you'd expect.
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 And if we consider historical context...it's likely vampires would get gradually //more// racist over time, instead of //less//. Remember how they've witnessed a lot thruout history? Well, imagine witnessing every barbarian invasion thruout history, then the effects of colonialism, then the effects of mass migration (in more modern times) alongside anything else I can’t immediately think of.\\ And if we consider historical context...it's likely vampires would get gradually //more// racist over time, instead of //less//. Remember how they've witnessed a lot thruout history? Well, imagine witnessing every barbarian invasion thruout history, then the effects of colonialism, then the effects of mass migration (in more modern times) alongside anything else I can’t immediately think of.\\
 It would be very difficult to convince an old sexy vampress that being racist is wrong when she witnessed the Islamic Invasions, Mongol Invasions, the Haitian Revolution, the decolonization of Mozambique, the rise of Zimbabwe, the fall of Apartheid, both Congo Wars and the Rwandan Genocide. It would be very difficult to convince an old sexy vampress that being racist is wrong when she witnessed the Islamic Invasions, Mongol Invasions, the Haitian Revolution, the decolonization of Mozambique, the rise of Zimbabwe, the fall of Apartheid, both Congo Wars and the Rwandan Genocide.
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 === Sexism === === Sexism ===
 If we strictly define sexism as any view that men and women are not equal...the majority of vampires would be sexist. But if we define it as seeing the other gender as subhuman, it's likely that the majority of vampires wouldn't be sexist.\\ If we strictly define sexism as any view that men and women are not equal...the majority of vampires would be sexist. But if we define it as seeing the other gender as subhuman, it's likely that the majority of vampires wouldn't be sexist.\\
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 So by very strict modern standards they'd be sexist, but otherwise they wouldn't be. So by very strict modern standards they'd be sexist, but otherwise they wouldn't be.
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 === Homophobia/Transphobia === === Homophobia/Transphobia ===
 This is an unambiguous case: vampires would probably be supremely homophobic and transphobic. This is an unambiguous case: vampires would probably be supremely homophobic and transphobic.
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 A question I did ask myself is whether vampires would be fine with crossdressing. And what I concluded is that it's inconclusive and would depend on the city or religious beliefs. I think that, in general, it would be frowned upon...but not as much as being transgender. A question I did ask myself is whether vampires would be fine with crossdressing. And what I concluded is that it's inconclusive and would depend on the city or religious beliefs. I think that, in general, it would be frowned upon...but not as much as being transgender.
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 === Classism === === Classism ===
 Would vampires be classist and elitist? I’m leaning towards “probably not”.\\ Would vampires be classist and elitist? I’m leaning towards “probably not”.\\
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 Rather than classisim, though, vampires would be hierarchical and expect people to know their place in society. Rather than classisim, though, vampires would be hierarchical and expect people to know their place in society.
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 === Debauchery === === Debauchery ===
 I find it unlikely that vampires would be decadent or that they'd favor debauchery/indulging in pleasures. This is because, again, they've witnessed the literal ends of civilizations, so they prioritize stability.\\ I find it unlikely that vampires would be decadent or that they'd favor debauchery/indulging in pleasures. This is because, again, they've witnessed the literal ends of civilizations, so they prioritize stability.\\
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 This implies the possibility of the hilarious situation where a sexy vampire waifu actually doesn't like the idea of pre-marital sex because if the relationship breaks off, it could lead to jealousy down the line. This implies the possibility of the hilarious situation where a sexy vampire waifu actually doesn't like the idea of pre-marital sex because if the relationship breaks off, it could lead to jealousy down the line.
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 === Slavery === === Slavery ===
 Slavery is ambiguous though the reasons why might be surprising. Slavery is ambiguous though the reasons why might be surprising.
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 Also! I completely forgot to mention blood bonds (//Masquerade/////Requiem// terminology)...or enslaving humans via...something or other. In //Masquerade// and //Requiem// you can enslave someone by making them drink your blood – this turns a regular human into a ghoul and a vampire into...your slave. This also appears in //Dracula// and seems to pop up in other things as well.\\ Also! I completely forgot to mention blood bonds (//Masquerade/////Requiem// terminology)...or enslaving humans via...something or other. In //Masquerade// and //Requiem// you can enslave someone by making them drink your blood – this turns a regular human into a ghoul and a vampire into...your slave. This also appears in //Dracula// and seems to pop up in other things as well.\\
 If this exists, then what vampires think of slavery changes significantly...as well as how they operate. So I'm briefly mentioning it here before I make bigger changes. If this exists, then what vampires think of slavery changes significantly...as well as how they operate. So I'm briefly mentioning it here before I make bigger changes.
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 ===== Miscellaneous Worldbuilding ===== ===== Miscellaneous Worldbuilding =====
 ==== Affection & Intimacy ==== ==== Affection & Intimacy ====
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