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--- lb:zelda [2025-08-13 09:47:13] – [Trivilinks] ninjasr
+++ lb:zelda [2025-08-23 18:35:00] (current) – [Ocarina of Time] ninjasr
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 The sages thing is just...dumb, here. I dunno exactly what the issue is, but I thought it just wasn't great.
-The artwork is //very good// and the writing/dialog tends to be fine as well. Actually, Navi has an actual character (though it's not like I can compare directly) and, thus, she's actually kinda nice. You actually understand why Link likes her. The bonus story is pretty great too – especially in regards to Link and Navi.
+The artwork is //very good// and the writing/dialog tends to be fine as well. Actually, Navi has an actual character (though it's not like I can compare directly) and, thus, she's actually kinda nice. You actually understand why Link likes her. The bonus story is pretty great too – especially in regards to Link and Navi.\\
+However, this has the inexplicable departure of Navi make a bit less sense here than in the game.((:fn:>Assuming my read on the game is correct, where Navi is a bit more aloof/robotic than in the manga, where she seems much warmer.)) Though we don't know why she left in the first place.
 Some changes, as compared to the game are: Link and Zelda clearly like each-other, which sorta adds to the tragedy of Link being sent back; Link talks and he talks a lot; the Deku shield was crafted from the Deku Tree instead of being bought; that's all I know for now, as I need to play the game first.
 But that Adult Arc made me remember why I thought it was kinda mediocre. I think that if the manga were longer (maybe 1.5 or 2x longer), it would have been vastly improved. Though that probably wasn't possible.
+=== Majora's Mask ===
+The manga this time is about the same quality as //Ocarina of Time//. Though I //believe// that it's shorter than the last one – which is relevant because the story does feel overly condensed as compared to //Ocarina of Time//.
+I don't have much to say beyond that, honestly. I might later if I remember anything.
+Oh, right. There was a bonus story which offers a very mythical origin for Majora's Mask. I believe it was created //before// the game came out which is probably why it's so light on details. I think it's interesting, but I wasn't particularly impressed.
+=== A Link to the Past ===
+I finished it and, honestly, I think this is the worst one so far. Actually, //Majora's Mask// (or perhaps //Ocarina of Time//) started a trend that will plague all the manga: they're too short.
+Generally, all of the manga would be improved by having more time in-between events. But since they're so short, they have to condense the story //a lot//. It just so happens that the manga this time around is //very obviously// condensed.
+There's plenty of stuff in here that //is// interesting, but the short length means that we never really explore it (like the main villain having a connection to Link and Link's parents being involved).
+Also, unlike with the Hero of Time, the Link this time around doesn't have an obvious romantic connection with Zelda. They //do// like each-other, but I get the impression Link doesn't really see the situation in that way. Which is fitting because bandit waifu.
 ==== The Phantom Hourglass ====
 This is the first //Zelda// game I played and was my introduction to it in general. As a kid I...didn't finish it and, to this day, it remains unfinished. Some action bits were too difficult for me.
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 Honestly, I don't mind this approach: I just wish that people didn't try to cram it all into one timeline. Or Nintendo attempting the same thing.
+==== How many Links are related to each-other? ====
+I'm making this section just to quickly jot down a thought I had: how many of the Links in Zelda are relatives?
+So far, I think that the only definitive connection is between the <abbr>Hero of Time [Ocarina of Time]</abbr> and the <abbr>Hero of Twilight [Twilight Princess]</abbr>...the latter being descended from the former.\\
+The Hero of Twilight may also be related to Zelda from Twilight Princess. Though this is speculative and you should read [[#whodidtheherooftimehavekidswith|the section below]].
+I think that, maybe, the <abbr>Hero of Hyrule [A Link to the Past]</abbr> is related to the Link from the first game, though that's a guess on my part.
+Oh, right: the Link from Spirit Tracks is definitely related to the <abbr>Hero of Winds [Wind Waker]</abbr> //and// Tetra. Which, yes, means that that Link is also related to Zelda.
+==== Hylian Language Project ====
+There was a fan-made Hylian language at some point, which I learned of from [[https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Community:Hylian_Language_Project|here]]. I'm mentioning it just because, though I wouldn't call it especially notable.
+If there's gonna be a Hylian Language Project, I'll just do it myself.
 ==== Is Link ‘Link’ and is he Green? ====
 This is an idea that I had at some point, but there's no evidence to suggest that Link is actually called Link in most games (as far as I know)...and, well, that's not that interesting. You name him, so obviously his name isn't Link. Sometimes.
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 Along that line of thinking...what if somebody dons the hero's green clothes because they //want// to be a hero or wish to be //perceived// as a hero...but then end up bad? This is just a natural twist you could apply to the story, though I doubt Nintendo would ever.
-==== Repeating Legends ====
+==== Is the Triforce hereditary? ====
-This is another crack theory of sorts, but it's one which has a little more behind it (I hope).
+An issue I may have identified has to do with the Triforce. There is //some// evidence to suggest that //some// characters end up gaining the Triforce due to being related to someone who previously earned it.\\
+I think that this applies to the Hero of Twilight (who inherits it from the Hero of Time, his ancestor) and Tetra (who inherits it from Ocarina!Zelda).
-Basically, what if each game is actually just an account of the same legend? Any differences between the accounts is explainable as geographic/chronological differences between each telling.\\
+This raises not-great questions surrounding the Triforce. I may elaborate later.
-This would explain why the same stuff seems to happen over and over again, while the details change.
-==== Where did ‘Timeline Fever’ begin? ====
-Having started rewatching matthewmatosis’ review on Zelda (linked in Trivilinks), I started to wonder where exactly Nintendo decided that Zelda needed to consistently reference past games and maintain a strict continuity...well, ‘strict’.\\
-My gut reaction is telling me that this definitively started with Majora's Mask or Wind Waker, but I can’t be certain yet.
-So far, this is just a “thing I noticed” and I may expand on it in the future.
 ==== The Prequel Problem ====
 I'm titling the section like this because it's catchy.
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 This may or may not be a problem depending on your perspective, but Zelda as a series is (or was, until Breath of the Wild) stuck in the past. Though I wouldn't say it's //that// big of an issue since, as I have established, I don't think canon really exists.
+==== Repeating Legends ====
+This is another crack theory of sorts, but it's one which has a little more behind it (I hope).
+Basically, what if each game is actually just an account of the same legend? Any differences between the accounts is explainable as geographic/chronological differences between each telling.\\
+This would explain why the same stuff seems to happen over and over again, while the details change.
+==== Where did ‘Timeline Fever’ begin? ====
+Having started rewatching matthewmatosis’ review on Zelda (linked in Trivilinks), I started to wonder where exactly Nintendo decided that Zelda needed to consistently reference past games and maintain a strict continuity...well, ‘strict’.\\
+My gut reaction is telling me that this definitively started with Majora's Mask or Wind Waker, but I can’t be certain yet.
+So far, this is just a “thing I noticed” and I may expand on it in the future.
+==== Who did the Hero of Time have kids with? ====
+Twilight Princess suggests that the Hero of Twilight is the direct descendant of the Hero of Time. I'm noting quickly though that I'm not sure and I will either re-play the game or check some gameplay to make sure.\\
+Though I'm about 93% sure that these two Links are related.\\
+But this raises the question of who the Hero of Time bangs.
+My thinking (from what I know about the franchise) is that there are only two real options: Zelda and Malon. Of those, I used to lean towards Zelda...but I'm not sure anymore.
+There are different reasons for why Link is more likely to go one way or the other.
+In Zelda's case, I think there are a few things backing this up as the likely option:
+  * Zelda is one of only //3?// people who know that Link saved the world, granting her a unique connection with him.
+  * The manga adaptation suggests that Link only has eyes for Zelda (to the point Malon gives up before she even started).
+  * Link and Zelda have very clear romantic interests in each-other.
+  * The Hero of Time (or Cursed Swordsman or whoever) serves the Hyrulean Royal family as a knight, so they'd be in direct contact (presumably).
+Malon's case is a bit more complicated, since I'm relying on context that I don't currently have because I haven't played //Ocarina of Time//. So I'm extrapolating: matthewmatosis says in his //Ocarina of Time// video that Skyward Sword Zelda is the first Zelda who has an explicitly romantic connection between the two of them and his wording (which I'll find later) implies that previous games didn't have any explicit //or// implicit suggestion that they'd end up together.\\
+Now, I find that dubious if you include //all// the games, but he could mean within the review series he was doing (which means it includes //Ocarina//). So, based on that, the games might suggest that Link and Zelda have zero interest in each-other and, if that's the case, Malon is basically the guaranteed choice.\\
+Now that that's out of the way, here's the other stuff suggesting it:
+  * Malon is a normal girl. This is important because Link is basically a nobody when he goes back to the past.
+  * The manga implies that they like each-other.
+  * Though if the game suggests zero interest between Link/Zelda (the opposite of the manga), then Malon is guaranteed to be with Link.
+All of this is important to know because the Hero of Twilight, if he bangs Zelda, might be banging his cousin. Though in that specific case, I think it's heavily implied by the game that they don't really see each-other in that way. Which may or may not suggest they can tell they're related.
 ==== Zelda Names ====
 Considering just how many Zeldas there are...I think that, realistically, girls in the Hyrulean royal family would start giving their daughters additional names to differentiate them from other Zeldas. Y'know, like how Mary-Jane is named Mary-Jane instead of just Mary.
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 The other issue here is that mothers (even Zelda XVI) would have specific names in mind for their daughters, right? Legally, they'd be forced to name their children ‘Zelda’...but what's stopping them from just adding another name? It would be the best of both worlds.
-==== Hylian Language Project ====
-There was a fan-made Hylian language at some point, which I learned of from [[https://zelda.fandom.com/wiki/Community:Hylian_Language_Project|here]]. I'm mentioning it just because, though I wouldn't call it especially notable.
-If there's gonna be a Hylian Language Project, I'll just do it myself.
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