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 ====== Spider-Man ======
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 **Spider-Man** is a Western comic franchise created by Marvel with a few other things attached to it. The franchise has been in a near-constant decline starting in the mid-2000s and continuing until today, with no hope in sight.\\
 The focus is on a super-hero named <dfn>Spider-Man</dfn> and his pretty awful life...despite his awful life, he does his best to use his powers to help others.
 The Raimi Spider-Man films are among my favorites, though I haven't quite warmed up to the comics.
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 ===== Reviews =====
 ==== Films ====
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 I think the Raimi films depict it better.
-Now to move onto the rest...I should note that Spider-Man is currently ‘on-hold’. The reason being that I got bored and annoyed.
+Now to move onto the rest...I should note that <cite>Spider-Man</cite> is currently ‘on-hold’. The reason being that I got bored and annoyed.
 Let me elaborate: by that point, I had already seen some pretty serious issues with the storytelling that I just couldn't get over. The most egregious one was the constant return of classic villains. Doc Ock is probably the most annoying...I honestly don't care what anyone tells me (not even the comic) because he //died in that nuclear explosion//, okay? No matter how they try to explain it, I think that he's already beyond the point of no return.\\
-The other issue is that the combat just isn't very good and it gets repetitive extremely fast. Actually, I'm reminded of [[lb:Persona#Persona 5]] here. In both Persona and here I wanted to avoid the fighting as much as possible, so I could get back to the actual fun part: the social interactions.\\
+The other issue is that the combat just isn't very good and it gets repetitive extremely fast. Actually, I'm reminded of [[lb:Persona#Persona 5]] here. In both <cite>Persona</cite> and here I wanted to avoid the fighting as much as possible, so I could get back to the actual fun part: the social interactions.\\
-The other other issue, which I think is much bigger, was that at some point the comic just started assuming you had been reading The Spectacular Spider-Man as well. The moment that really threw me for a loop was when I saw Gloria Grant as J. Jonah Jameson's secretary...because I hadn't seen //how// that happened at all. I then read through The Spectacular Spider-Man, finding out that //that// was where it was explained. And that wasn't a fun experience either, since Spectacular has worse writing and (at least at this stage) is even more combat-heavy than Amazing.
+The other other issue, which I think is much bigger, was that at some point the comic just started assuming you had been reading <cite>The Spectacular Spider-Man</cite> as well. The moment that really threw me for a loop was when I saw Gloria Grant((:fn:>They weren't even trying with her name, by the way. It's very obvious.)) as J. Jonah Jameson's secretary...because I hadn't seen //how// that happened at all. I then read through <cite>The Spectacular Spider-Man</cite>, finding out that //that// was where it was explained. And that wasn't a fun experience either, since <cite>Spectacular</cite> has worse writing and (at least at this stage) is even more combat-heavy than <cite>Amazing</cite>.
 I know that some of this can be solved by skimming, but I'm fundamentally allergic to skimming, so I took a break instead. I don't know when I'll get back to it.
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 That is to say...if I wanted to read it //again//, I probably wouldn't read it all over again. I'm not even sure how I'd pick out ‘favorites’ because the story that I actually like is often spliced thru multiple chapters.
-Ah! I almost forgot that I wanted to explain something else. My plan was to stop reading Amazing sometime before One More Day so I could jump into Spider-Girl instead. That plan is still in place, though it would require reading up to Issue 406 which is...a bit of a distance from #182.
+Ah! I almost forgot that I wanted to explain something else. My plan was to stop reading <cite>Amazing</cite> sometime before <cite>One More Day</cite> so I could jump into <cite>Spider-Girl</cite> instead. That plan is still in place, though it would require reading up to Issue 406 which is...a bit of a distance from #182.
 I don't think the artwork is super great either, though I can’t complain either because it's the 60s (well, 70s now).
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 When Peter was dating Betty, she didn't seem to care, and just saw Betty as competition for Peter.
 ==== Mary-Jane Watson ====
-MJ's entire section is a bit of a mess, so I'm just leaving it the way it is until I bother to look at it later. It's not the easiest to read thru, but I think it's understandable enough. It's also a bit out-of-date, since I think I wrote the previous draft of this article around the time I was up to Issue...30 of The Amazing Spider-Man. Yeah, I got like 162 more issues of content now. Though I'll need to refresh my memory.
+MJ's entire section is a bit of a mess, so I'm just leaving it the way it is until I bother to look at it later. It's not the easiest to read thru, but I think it's understandable enough. It's also a bit out-of-date, since I think I wrote the previous draft of this article around the time I was up to Issue...30 of <cite>The Amazing Spider-Man</cite>. Yeah, I got like 162 more issues of content now. Though I'll need to refresh my memory.
 In the films it's pretty obvious that MJ is dating the people she's dating for the sake of status, rather than actual love.\\
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 I also thought that the way Gwen's face was drawn made her look prettier than MJ. I found that deeply ironic, seeing as MJ was supposed to be the prettier one...at least that's what I think?
-There is something ironic to note about her portrayal in adaptations. She's absent in Spider-Man (1994), her role apparently being merged into Felicia Hardy. Though she appears in Spider-Man 3 (for some reason) and The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2.\\
+There is something ironic to note about her portrayal in adaptations. She's absent in <cite>Spider-Man (1994)</cite>, her role apparently being merged into Felicia Hardy. Though she appears in <cite>Spider-Man 3</cite> (for some reason) and <cite>The Amazing Spider-Man 1</cite> & <cite>2</cite>.\\
-In Spider-Man 3 there's nothing much to say, at least for now.\\
+In <cite>Spider-Man 3</cite> there's nothing much to say, at least for now.\\
-In The Amazing Spider-Man, she is much warmer and snarkier than she is in the comics. And this is where the irony lies. MJ in the Raimi films resembles Gwen from the comics...but Gwen from the films resembles MJ from the comics. As a result, people might unfairly dislike MJ more than she deserves and like Gwen more when she's //not// Gwen.
+In <cite>The Amazing Spider-Man</cite>, she is much warmer and snarkier than she is in the comics. And this is where the irony lies. MJ in the Raimi films resembles Gwen from the comics...but Gwen from the films resembles MJ from the comics. As a result, people might unfairly dislike MJ more than she deserves and like Gwen more when she's //not// Gwen.
 ==== Harry Osborn ====
 Appears in issue 31.
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   * At this point someone might wonder why I haven't been filling these out. That's because it's very annoying to find all these links, so I wanted to find a way to make it easier for myself. Turns out that there //might// be a way, but I haven't figured it out yet. Specifically how to present it, because I can’t actually cleanly merge the links into the existing structure.
   * I noticed that I left this unfinished for a while...so I polished it a little to release it.
+  * I forgot to add sections on the Venom films. Ah well, later.
+  * Last night (<time [datetime=2025-12-30]>2025-12-30</time>) I decided to think about my return to the comics more strategically. I eventually settled on following [[http://www.comicsbackissues.com/comic-book-reading-order/the-indispensable-spider-man-essential-issues-master-list/|this guide I found]] for reading the comics. It reduces the number of chapters I'd have to read quite significantly, so I figure it's better to go for that. Whether I go back to read the chapters I skipped or not I haven't decided yet.
+    * It should also be noted that skimming/skipping around is not something I usually do and not something I find super comfortable...but with how massive Spider-Man is, I figured it's for the best.