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Spider-Man
Spider-Man is a Western comic franchise created by Marvel with a few other things attached to it. The franchise has been in a near-constant decline starting in the mid-2000s and continuing until today, with no hope in sight.
The focus is on a super-hero named Spider-Man and his pretty awful lifeā¦despite his awful life, he does his best to use his powers to help others.
The Raimi Spider-Man films are among my favorites, though I havenāt quite warmed up to the comics.
Reviews
Films
Spider-Man
This film is very good.
Like, very very good.
When compared to the comics, I think this film comes out on top. It adapts the emotional beats and stitches them in a way that is simply better.
The main example I can think of is Uncle Benās death. In the film, Peter is standing directly in the path of the thief: heās actually blocking his path. Because heās mad, he steps aside to let the thief get away. In the comic, Peter isnāt standing in the thiefās pathā¦heās just standing next to the path as the thief runs past. Then the copy chasing the thief complains that Peter didnāt try to stop him. In the film, Peter is directly responsible for the thief getting awayā¦in the comic, Peter is responsible through inaction.
I think you can see how the filmās version is superior.
Spider-Man 2
Yeah, this one is actually pretty good.
The most egregious issue present in this film has to do with MJ, who isā¦bad. Itās otherwise mostly a mix of good and bad.
Spider-Man 3
After having re-watched this film, I honestly donāt think itās that bad. I have trouble figuring out what specific storytelling issues are present. Maybe itās the lack of focus, though I felt the integration of the three villains actually worked and it seemed like some care was put into making it all cohesive.
The main issue is the ācringe sequenceā where Peter becomes evil due to Venomās presence. I think that the problem here is mostly with the framing, rather than anything else. If you take it at face value, it feels like the film is making you think that heās ācoolā. When if you actually watch and pay attention, you quickly learn that the film doesnāt think heās cool: it thinks heās being cringe. Peter thinks heās being cool, but everyone around him is clearly embarrassed for him. Though I canāt tell if this is just a case of the film framing it incorrectly or most people being stupid.
Whatās kinda weird is that you can interpret a lot of what happens in this film as a direct result of the previous film. What do I mean?
Well, to start off with: in the previous film, MJ was doing really well for herself. Like, she was modelling and she was showing up in a lot of plays. However, in this film, she ends up in one Broadway musical, gets kicked out and then fails to find anything else except a job as a singing waitress at a jazz club. Thatās kinda incongruous, unless you consider the fact that she was set to marry an astronaut and then ran out on their wedding day. That could have seriously damaged her reputation and gotten her isolated from her social circle. So that might also explain why, in this film, she seems to only have two friends: Peter and Harry.
Next, Spider-Man: in the previous film, Peter just kinda assumed that everyone hated him and this made him feel pretty awful about himself. However, by the end of the film, he learned that, actually, a lot of people really really love Spider-Man. Like, way more than he could imagine. Consequently, heās been noticing that a lot more and, assuming the situation has escalated as much as it seems to in this film, heās developed an egoā¦to the point where he fails to see that MJ is in a tough spot. His actions in this film are a direct result of him being down on his luck previously.
Itāsā¦beautiful, in a way.
The Amazing Spider-Man
I re-watched this one not long after the third film and, well, I can understand why some people thought this film was better than the Raimi trilogy.
The main issue with this film is that it doesnāt realize that Peter needs to keep his powers secret. After gaining his powers, he frequently ends up accidentally using them without realizing it. This starts with the subway, where he shows off his insane reflexesā¦his sticky nature and strength. This is just the first instance, though it happens again in his home: he destroyed the bathroom, yet nobody comments on it.
Later he messed up the basketball court to humiliate Flash and, well, I think that was reasonably well-put-togetherā¦at least while heās telling Flash to take the basketball (and he just makes it stick to him). After that point, it falls into ābadā or āiffy at bestā since heās demonstrating physical abilities that heās obviously never had before that pointā¦and nobody questions it.
This was also a thing in the Raimi films, but seriously reducedā¦since, yāknow, it only happens in one scene and everyone is clearly weirded out.
Later, he chucks a football atā¦the thing, causing it to bend. Nobody questions this.
Thereās also a moment after he starts hunting down criminals where the first guy says āI know what you look likeā
but it literally never leads anywhere. That was just to get Peter to start wearing a mask.
One other thing might be when he stole the thing for the internship, though I donāt think it can be definitively said whether he felt bad or not about taking the card.
Something potentially quite interesting about this film is that it shows a bit of an in-between stage between the older tight/good writing and the more modern sloppy/bad writing, since this film has a mix of good and bad elements, whereas the Raimi films are mostly good.
Spider-Man (1994)
Peter is way more snarky in here than he is anywhere else, he really doesnāt fit the nerd archetype like at all.
Also, itās utterly bizarre how (at least in the first season) he seems way more interested in Felicia Hardy ā the prickly rich girl who doesnāt seem that interested in him ā compared to MJ, who is clearly into him and very warm by comparison. Though whatās equally strange is that Peter is somehow choosing to pursue them both at the same time.
I ended up finishing the first season (which I thought was okay at best) and then dropped it during the second season, because I was bored. Though I canāt tell you why.
Comics
I should note here that the rest of this article was written aaaaaages ago, so the rest really needs to be adjusted at some point. However, I decided to re-write this section specifically because it was written when I started reading the comics. Iāve since gotten much much further. I actually took a break from reading the comics since I got annoyed, though more on that later.
So, for reference, as of writing (), Iāve read up to Issue 182 of The Amazing Spider-Man and Issue 13 of The Spectacular Spider-Man. And yeah, I didnāt skim those basically at all.
The first issue that I read - Amazing Fantasy #15 - was pretty damn good, I canāt lie. Itās basically the perfect origin storyā¦just that adaptations tend to do a better job of adapting the origin, so not quite perfect.
Uncle Ben dies off-panel for example. What? The āGreat Power, Great Responsibilityā
line is in the narration and not in the dialog. Thatās kinda weird. I also think that Peter just letting the criminal get away is depicted really stupidly here.
I think the Raimi films depict it better.
Now to move onto the restā¦I should note that Spider-Man is currently āon-holdā. The reason being that I got bored and annoyed.
Let me elaborate: by that point, I had already seen some pretty serious issues with the storytelling that I just couldnāt get over. The most egregious one was the constant return of classic villains. Doc Ock is probably the most annoyingā¦I honestly donāt care what anyone tells me (not even the comic) because he died in that nuclear explosion, okay? No matter how they try to explain it, I think that heās already beyond the point of no return.
The other issue is that the combat just isnāt very good and it gets repetitive extremely fast. Actually, Iām reminded of Persona 5 here. In both Persona and here I wanted to avoid the fighting as much as possible, so I could get back to the actual fun part: the social interactions.
The other other issue, which I think is much bigger, was that at some point the comic just started assuming you had been reading The Spectacular Spider-Man as well. The moment that really threw me for a loop was when I saw Gloria Grant as J. Jonah Jamesonās secretaryā¦because I hadnāt seen how that happened at all. I then read through The Spectacular Spider-Man, finding out that that was where it was explained. And that wasnāt a fun experience either, since Spectacular has worse writing and (at least at this stage) is even more combat-heavy than Amazing.
I know that some of this can be solved by skimming, but Iām fundamentally allergic to skimming, so I took a break instead. I donāt know when Iāll get back to it.
Is the writing good? Uhā¦Iād hesitate to say so. I think that thereās a good story buried in there, but thereās so much annoying filler on top of it that I wouldnāt really say itās worth reading through. It would probably benefit everyone to just re-write the story wholesale, removing all of the bloat.
That is to sayā¦if I wanted to read it again, I probably wouldnāt read it all over again. Iām not even sure how Iād pick out āfavoritesā because the story that I actually like is often spliced thru multiple chapters.
Ah! I almost forgot that I wanted to explain something else. My plan was to stop reading Amazing sometime before One More Day so I could jump into Spider-Girl instead. That plan is still in place, though it would require reading up to Issue 406 which isā¦a bit of a distance from #182.
I donāt think the artwork is super great either, though I canāt complain either because itās the 60s (well, 70s now).
Mary-Jane (2004)
Yes, I read the weird teen romantic drama spin-off. Hear me out: I like MJ, I wanted more MJ sooner without having to read something that was dependent on the main comics. I saw that the artstyle was vaguely anime-like, so I jumped in.
Turns out that uhā¦yeah, this isnāt very good. Itās extremely angsty to the point of absurdity. And at times itās just straight-up stupid.
Would I recommend reading it? Not really. There are a few points where itās a little funny but thatās it.
I think itās a shame, too, since the base concept isnāt bad: Mary-Jane has developed a crush on Spider-Man, so she starts investigating him while her friends think sheās going crazy.
That itself could lead to a lot of fun situationsā¦but they went for stupid melodrama instead.
Characters & World-building
I havenāt decided whether each of these should have their own page or not. Iāll figure it out later.
Peter Parker
When I picked this article again, I found I had nothing written here. So Iāll just quickly note a few things.
He is very unlike the nerd stereotype after he graduates from Highschool. Even in Highschool it was kinda borderline. He was extremely snarky and frequently back-talked to Flash. So his depiction in The Amazing Spider-Man might be more accurate from that angle.
Also, in the Raimi films, it is strongly implied that Robbie (at the Daily Bugle) knows that heās Spider-Man.
J. Jonah Jameson
I think he might be my favorite character, since MJ is currently not super deep as of the point I am in the comics. I think he was peopleās favorite back in the day too.
I can definitely write more about him, but Iām not really feeling up to it right now. Just thatā¦his motivation in the comics is quite literally that heās jealous of Spider-Man. He canāt understand why someone would do the things he does without expecting any money for it. Thatās notable because JJJ does everything he does for the sake of money (at least so he claims). There might be more to him, but JJJ is generally pretty simple at the point Iām at.
In the Raimi films, JJJ is a bit different. I have a pet theory that he doesnāt hate Spider-Man and, in fact, actually really likes him. So why write negatively about him? Because JJJ doesnāt want Spider-Man to become egotistical. I think thereās enough in the films to suggest thisā¦though thereās also evidence to suggest that this isnāt the case.
Betty Brant
In the comics, Betty is Peterās first girlfriend and kinda a big deal. Sheās oddly brave (planning her escape from Doctor Octopus) but also insecure. That insecurity leads her to be kinda jealous: worried that Peter will pick someone else.
Mostly related to Liz Allan, who is very obviously trying to get with Peter.
Much later in the comics (yeah, I gotta re-write all the character stuff on the wiki), Peter and she break up. She ends up with Ned instead (IIRC), then she considers cheating on Ned with Peter. Though what happens next I donāt know, because thatās the last thing I saw before I put reading on pause.
She is canonically not as pretty as MJ. That is all.
Her and Peterās relationship was kinda odd to read, especially since she was maybe 17-18 when she started dating himā¦and he was like 15-17. Though putting that aside, they kinda got along but not that much. Peter was way more into Gwen, who came afterwards. Oh yeah, the relationship starts extremely abruptly.
In the Raimi films, sheās kinda flirty and part of the Daily Bugle cast. Mostly unimportant otherwise.
Liz Allan
Peter tries to ask her out several times and she finally says yes, but has to cancel the date due to Spider-Man business.
After Peter is unintentionally unmasked (but nobody realizes heās Spider-Man because he was sick), she did a 180 on him and actually got a super crush on him.
I really liked the dynamic presented in the comics (Liz/Betty/Peter) up to a certain point, so I was disappointed that she just kinda vanished after Peter graduated. Though she did reappear laterā¦and started dating Harry. That one I wasnāt expecting.
Anyway, she was the nice/hot girlā¦but is also canonically not as hot as MJ. Just putting that out there. Though she is considered prettier than Betty.
When Peter was dating Betty, she didnāt seem to care, and just saw Betty as competition for Peter.
Mary-Jane Watson
MJās entire section is a bit of a mess, so Iām just leaving it the way it is until I bother to look at it later. Itās not the easiest to read thru, but I think itās understandable enough. Itās also a bit out-of-date, since I think I wrote the previous draft of this article around the time I was up to Issueā¦30 of The Amazing Spider-Man. Yeah, I got like 162 more issues of content now. Though Iāll need to refresh my memory.
In the films itās pretty obvious that MJ is dating the people sheās dating for the sake of status, rather than actual love.
She pulls away and slightly recoils when Flash tries to play with her hairā¦and sheās his girlfriend. When sheās with Harry, he leans in to kiss her and she turns her head.
She also smiles more genuinely at Peter than anyone else.
However, something thatās kinda odd is that she seems to know Peter more than Peter thinks she does. First of all, she smiles at him at the exhibition. Second, when he punches Flash, sheās more concerned about him than she is about her boyfriend. Third, when heās taking out the trash she actually approaches him and talks to him like theyāve known each-other (as acquaintances/friends) for a while. Fourth, during that conversation she says āwe were worried about youā
, implying that theyāre closer than strangers. Fifth, when Peter mentions the school plays she was in, she doesnāt ask or bring up whether he was even there (meaning she either knows he saw those plays, or assumes he does). Even for the earliest ones. Sixth, after they graduate and meet on the streets, MJ talks to him like heās a friend, rather than a weird acquaintance (and Iāve experienced talking to classmates in the past and it definitely wasnāt in that manner).
Thereās also the fact that, earlier in the film, she asked the bus driver to stop the bus for him.
I find this odd because Peter, via his narration and attitude, gives off the implication that theyāre total strangers or know each-other very little, yet their actual interactions suggest something else. Sheās pretty open with him too. Maybe Iām just going crazy.
In the second film, she is legitimately just a bad person. As in, sheās adulterous and a bit of a bitch, to put it lightly.
However, I thought of something. In the second film, sheās a pretty successful model/actress: she stars in plays, she models for major brandsā¦so, why is she struggling in the third film, having trouble finding work after losing the Broadway thing?
My theory is based on contextual evidence: in the second film, sheās engaged to and almost marries John Jameson, the astronaut, but then bails on the wedding day to be with Peter. This is possibly the moment it all goes wrong: her reputation likely went poof and her existing social network kicked her out, hence why she doesnāt do as well in the third film.
Itās a theory thoughā¦there isnāt much evidence to actually support it.
Comics
In the comics, sheās initially a running gagā¦though, 1d6chan notes that she was apparently originally introduced to contrast Gwen Stacyā¦I donāt think thatās true?
First of all, Gwen has not been mentioned by Issue 29 at allā¦but MJās been mentioned several times and has even made an appearanceā¦albeit, we donāt see her faceā¦or her hair. But even then we know that sheās incredibly beautiful.
Her personality also seems to be somewhat defined, so Iām not sure what exactlyās up.
Also, itās either intentional or unintentional genius, but her starting as a running gag who barely appears and then becomes the girl is justā¦perfect. Like, the setup here is insanely good.
Flash Thompson
Heās Peterāsā¦uhā¦bully? Yeahā¦kinda weird in the comics.
He also appears in the Raimi films, The Amazing Spider-Man films and the 1994 cartoon.
In the comics, heās convinced (even after being dumped) that Liz is still his girlfriendā¦which is really freaking weird. This is probably because she dumped him with the intent of getting with Peter, which he just finds utterly unfathomable.
Later on in the comics, Flash goes to Vietnam and comes back. There is an entire series of sub-plots involving him and what followed him back. He also briefly flirted with Gwen (who gave him a kiss when he went to Vietnamā¦yeah, no clue what thatās about)ā¦and when he came back, he served as an in-between for her and Peter when their relationship was a bit rocky.
Peter also stays at his apartment briefly though I donāt remember the context.
Gwen Stacy
She first appears in issue 31 and sheās immediately interested in Peter. Amusingly, though, since Peter is occupied with other things, she actually gets brushed off by him, which rubs her the wrong way.
Consequently, she doesnāt really like him at first. Though she still holds out hope that heās not a bad guy (even though the entire student body doesnāt like him due to his bad first impression).
According to her (in the first issue she appears in), Peterās the only boy who hasnāt, ahem, āgiven her a tumbleā
, which is why sheās so interested in him despite him having brushed her off.
Gwen as a character is uhā¦I dunno how to describe it. I donāt think thereās a point in hiding the fact she dies, so letās talk about that for a bit: itās very shocking to read thru it, even now. The way that whole situation is written is FANTASTIC: you can feel Peterās grief and rage in how he acts and talks.
Now: her character. Sheās a bit boring, I dunno what to say. Though thatās not fair. Sheās a nice rich girl and possibly a little liberal in disposition. I say that because she once offers to go watch an art film with Peter. I looked that art film up later andā¦I canāt believe they even mentioned it in the comic. The tension in their relationship mostly stems from the fact Gwen hates Spider-Man (because she thinks her dad was killed by him, but she had been scared of Spider-Man prior as well). This didnāt just guarantee that Peter could never tell herā¦because of Peterās status as a photographer. Gwen didnāt like that he took pictures of Spider-Man and was an apparent friend of his.
I also thought that the way Gwenās face was drawn made her look prettier than MJ. I found that deeply ironic, seeing as MJ was supposed to be the prettier oneā¦at least thatās what I think?
There is something ironic to note about her portrayal in adaptations. Sheās absent in Spider-Man (1994), her role apparently being merged into Felicia Hardy. Though she appears in Spider-Man 3 (for some reason) and The Amazing Spider-Man 1 & 2.
In Spider-Man 3 thereās nothing much to say, at least for now.
In The Amazing Spider-Man, she is much warmer and snarkier than she is in the comics. And this is where the irony lies. MJ in the Raimi films resembles Gwen from the comicsā¦but Gwen from the films resembles MJ from the comics. As a result, people might unfairly dislike MJ more than she deserves and like Gwen more when sheās not Gwen.
Harry Osborn
Appears in issue 31.
Thatās all I wrote, so thatās all Iāll say for now. Just that the integration of him as a continuation of the Green Goblin is kindaā¦I dunno.
Trivilinks
- At this point someone might wonder why I havenāt been filling these out. Thatās because itās very annoying to find all these links, so I wanted to find a way to make it easier for myself. Turns out that there might be a way, but I havenāt figured it out yet. Specifically how to present it, because I canāt actually cleanly merge the links into the existing structure.
- I noticed that I left this unfinished for a whileā¦so I polished it a little to release it.