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 **うみねこのなく{{ruby|頃|ころ}}に**(When the Seagulls Cry) is a multi-media franchise that started with a [[lb:visual novels|Visual Novel]] but has since expanded into a bunch of other stuff, like an [[lb:anime]], [[lb:manga]] and [[lb:light novels]].\\  I was trying to get into it and I find parts of it interesting, but I honestly don't like Umineko. Read more about it below! **うみねこのなく{{ruby|頃|ころ}}に**(When the Seagulls Cry) is a multi-media franchise that started with a [[lb:visual novels|Visual Novel]] but has since expanded into a bunch of other stuff, like an [[lb:anime]], [[lb:manga]] and [[lb:light novels]].\\  I was trying to get into it and I find parts of it interesting, but I honestly don't like Umineko. Read more about it below!
  
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 **This article has unmarked spoilers, so keep that in mind if you want to go thru Umineko. Though I don't recommend it.** **This article has unmarked spoilers, so keep that in mind if you want to go thru Umineko. Though I don't recommend it.**
  
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 {{tag>anime manga visual_novels}} {{tag>anime manga visual_novels}}
  
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 //Umineko//'s story is split into different metaphysical layers. Each of those is further split down. There are basically ≈3 main layers which are then further split up. Below is a visual representation. //Umineko//'s story is split into different metaphysical layers. Each of those is further split down. There are basically ≈3 main layers which are then further split up. Below is a visual representation.
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-<WRAP card vstack center-text> +^  Implied Layer((:fn:> This layer is implied and I read something on the wiki to suggest its existence, but I haven’t personally witnessed it in any of the story I’ve gone thru.))                                                                        |||||||| 
- +^  Witch's Game                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             |||||||| 
-<WRAP header> +^  The Games                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                |||||||| 
- +|  Game 1                                                                                                                                                                             |  Game 2  |  Game 3  |  Game 4  |  Game 5  |  Game 6  |  Game 7  |  Game 8  | 
-Implied Layer((:fn:>This layer is implied and I read something on the wiki to suggest its existence, but I haven't personally witnessed it in any of the story I've gone thru.)) +^  Ange's Layer                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             |||||||| 
- +^  Reality                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  |||||||| 
-</WRAP> +</div>
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-<WRAP header> +
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-The Witch's Game +
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-<WRAP header> +
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-The Games +
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-</WRAP> +
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-<WRAP hstack> +
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-Game 1 +
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-Game 2 +
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-Game 3 +
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-Game 4 +
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-Game 5 +
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-Game 6 +
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-Game 7 +
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-Game 8 +
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-</WRAP> +
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-<WRAP header> +
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-Ange's Layer +
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-</WRAP> +
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-Reality +
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-</WRAP> +
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 Now keep in mind that each of those (sans Reality and the top-most layer) is also further split something like this: Now keep in mind that each of those (sans Reality and the top-most layer) is also further split something like this:
  
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 //Umineko// breaks its promise to the audience – of being a mystery story with solvable mysteries – by being narratively incoherent. Because what happens in Umineko can be interpreted any way you desire – because there is //literally// no way to tell what is or isn't real – that means that Umineko has //many// (to put it lightly) possible interpretations. And since there's no way to tell which interpretation is better or worse, that means that there is no actual solution to any of the mysteries. //Umineko// breaks its promise to the audience – of being a mystery story with solvable mysteries – by being narratively incoherent. Because what happens in Umineko can be interpreted any way you desire – because there is //literally// no way to tell what is or isn't real – that means that Umineko has //many// (to put it lightly) possible interpretations. And since there's no way to tell which interpretation is better or worse, that means that there is no actual solution to any of the mysteries.
  
-That isn't even mentioning the fact that Umineko breaks the rules of fair play – it cites the Knox Decalogue but the official solution violates it. Even if we consider that the Knox Decalogue isn't absolute, Umineko still fails to be fair because everything can be interpreted however you want.+That isn't even mentioning the fact that Umineko breaks the rules of fair play – it cites the [[lb:Knox Decalogue]] but the official solution violates it. Even if we consider that the Knox Decalogue isn't absolute, Umineko still fails to be fair because everything can be interpreted however you want.
  
 At best it misleads the audience with the Red Truths and at worst it straight-up lies to them. Some people might think that insulting the audience by lying to them is a good (or neutral) thing and those people are, frankly, not very smart. At best it misleads the audience with the Red Truths and at worst it straight-up lies to them. Some people might think that insulting the audience by lying to them is a good (or neutral) thing and those people are, frankly, not very smart.
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   * One of the reasons I became curious about //Umineko// is because I found out Ryukishi07 was to write the new [[lb:silent hill]] game (ƒ). But since experiencing //Umineko//, my interest has completely dissipated. I'm convinced it can’t be a good game now.   * One of the reasons I became curious about //Umineko// is because I found out Ryukishi07 was to write the new [[lb:silent hill]] game (ƒ). But since experiencing //Umineko//, my interest has completely dissipated. I'm convinced it can’t be a good game now.
   * I think my proofreading caught most of the obvious issues, so I'll just pretend it's fine until someone points an issue out.   * I think my proofreading caught most of the obvious issues, so I'll just pretend it's fine until someone points an issue out.
 +  * I noticed another potential problem with Umineko: its rendering of the [[lb:knox.decalogue]]. Though I told myself I wouldn't think too hard about Umineko anymore, all I'll say is that Umineko presents them as way more absolute than they actually are.
  
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