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 ====== Umineko no Naku Koro ni ======
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+<div callout caution>**This article has unmarked spoilers, so keep that in mind if you want to go thru <cite>Umineko</cite>. Though I don't recommend it.**</div>
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-**This article has unmarked spoilers, so keep that in mind if you want to go thru <cite>Umineko</cite>. Though I don't recommend it.**
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     * [[https://subtlechaos.wordpress.com/2011/03/01/umineko-an-anime-and-vn-comparison/|Umineko: An Anime and VN Comparison]] – A comparison between the anime and the VN and the one I read. I find it pleasant that he includes screenshots comparing the two and isn't hyper-focused on details.
   * There are a number of other issues that I noticed which only make <cite>Umineko</cite> worse. One of those was the question “Is magic real?” Either way you answer that question, <cite>Umineko</cite>’s plot breaks.\\ Assuming it is, there is no actual ‘real’ event that occurred and everything we witnessed is actually what happened, which means that <cite>Umineko</cite> is misleading us into thinking that there //was// a ‘true’ event on Rokkenjima. Also, it implies that it could be undone if it did happen.\\ Assuming that it isn't, you've just rendered most of the story completely pointless.\\ Remember that the closest we get to reality is in Ange's layer and even then we witness magical things occur. If magic isn't real, that only places more doubt on everything else.
-    * The way I interpret this (on a meta level) is that <fc var(--main-red)>**<cite>Umineko</cite> assumes that magic isn't real but requires magic to be real**</fc>. Take that however you will, it's a Red Truth after all.
+    * The way I interpret this (on a meta level) is that <span notion danger>**<cite>Umineko</cite> assumes that magic isn't real but requires magic to be real**</span>. Take that however you will, it's a Red Truth after all.
   * Another issue with the Red Truths is the fact that once you know, you //know// and thus you wonder how characters can be so colossally stupid that they don't make obvious arguments regarding the interpretation of several Red Truths.
-    * Want an example? In Episode 5, Erika is declared the ‘detective’ which means that under the Knox Commandments, she can’t be the culprit. This is despite all of the highly suspicious behavior she exhibits during the game which would have her labelled as the culprit immediately. What I was expecting to happen was that Battler would point out that Erika //can’t// be the detective according to the Knox Commandments because she only performed all those suspicious activities because she //assumed a murder would occur//. Under the Knox Commandments, the detective can’t rely on intuition or supernatural means to solve a crime. This behavior suggests one or the other((:fn:>And Erika initially handwaves it away as “wherever there's a detective, it's assumed a crime will follow” which is nonsense.)). If Battler had pointed this out, Erika couldn't be classified as a detective and thus her suspicious behavior would point to her being the culprit. This never happens and it's //maddening//.
+    * Want an example? In Episode 5, Erika is declared the ‘detective’ which means that under the Knox Commandments, she can’t be the culprit. This is despite all of the highly suspicious behavior she exhibits during the game which would have her labelled as the culprit immediately. What I was expecting to happen was that Battler would point out that Erika //can’t// be the detective according to the Knox Commandments because she only performed all those suspicious activities because she //assumed a murder would occur//. Under the Knox Commandments, the detective can’t rely on intuition or supernatural means to solve a crime. This behavior suggests one or the other((:fn:>And Erika initially handwaves it away as <q :en>wherever there's a detective, it's assumed a crime will follow</q> which is nonsense.)). If Battler had pointed this out, Erika couldn't be classified as a detective and thus her suspicious behavior would point to her being the culprit. This never happens and it's //maddening//.
   * I'll lay out how I went thru <cite>Umineko</cite> here:
     * I started by watching the anime.